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everyone and welcome to another edition

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of inside out limits where I'm happy to

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once again be speaking with my friend

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Phillip mantel how will you fill in

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Chris I'm a hunky dory mate it's been

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it's been a good day it's a plugger but

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as the day as it's gone on it's got

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better and better

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absolutely brilliant brilliant now we're

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man's gone not to the bed as well of

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actually to cover yourself a job for

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Elly in January so I'm quite happy with

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that means I've got some money coming in

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ok so a few weeks ago we interviewed

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Spiros Mallory's regarding the alien

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autopsy footage now if you don't know

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what the only autopsy footage is ladies

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in jail

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I suggest you do a little bit of google

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and google in and see if you can find

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the information for yourselves now a

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gentleman by the name of Colleen Wolford

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as actually he disagrees with Spira sees

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an interpretation of the footage shall

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we say and so what we've done today

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we've invited both Spiros back to speak

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with us and also we've invited Colleen

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Wolford now this should be an

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interesting discussion Phil you know you

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know I'm well known for my involvement

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in in the alien autopsy film that came

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out in 1995 so you know I'll be

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ringmaster jointly with you Chris and

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I'm sure we're going to have a an

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interesting discussion good good

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now what we've decided to do dear

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listeners is we're giving each person

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approximately five minutes to discuss

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why they think without any interruption

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why they think that the footage is right

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or the footage is wrong and what we're

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going to do is go alphabetically in this

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case and that means we're inviting

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Colleen Wolford first to present is five

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minutes and just let us know why he

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thinks it's real so it's over to your

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Colleen and welcome to the show thank

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you Chris thanks for having me here and

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I want to wish everyone a Happy Hannukah

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Hannukah research twenty-eight years and

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I just like to make it clear that I am

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of the opinion that the IAEA and their

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briefer charge I mean as this is taken

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from my facebook page which I've run now

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for about three years on Facebook the

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alien autopsy analysis page and this

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incident should not be confused with the

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more famous was well crash or crashes

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July but was of a nut crash that took

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on a fake first 1947 as per the camera

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man's statement now I believe there is

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an ongoing conspiracy to conceal the

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smart and clever to that I have

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preferred a statement and it is that I

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believe Ray Santilli was in Cleveland

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Ohio in July 1992 and that he was shown

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by former military cameraman footage of

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authorities in the period between May

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and August 1995 and was the reason he

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testing although I do believe there is

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some truth that he was he did have some

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initial testing done we can talk about

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importantly a number of useful just had

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extent they became more kg over demands

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to verify it but he could not do so due

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to threats for him and no doubt his

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family in my opinion after that he had

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inconclusive a cover story was inserted

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now some 11 years later a propaganda

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documentary called Amon investigates a

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motion picture film alien autopsy

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starring Ant & Dec were released in the

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same week of April 2006 people who want

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there have now been inserted into the

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narrative and Ray was made to say it was

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recreation and with a few real afraid

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that has survived oxidization in 2007

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mr. molasses also in the studio was

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inserted into the narrative as the

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kingpin and the man whose team had

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host:it intention being that raised

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ludicrous claim of it being a recreation

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with I think he said was possibly 5% of

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original film will film friends or which

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he didn't know where they were would

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more easily convince people that it was

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all a hoax as per mr. Millar cease play

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a year later in exchange for agreeing to

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this news

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not the story right and Gary would have

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been suitably compensated as well as

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being paid to be executive producers for

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the ant and Dec gets information Jim how

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much where this was fruit coercion and

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threats rather than greed or indeed both

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remains to be seen what should be made

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clear in closing is that ray and Gary

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are clearly not innocent of charges of

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deceiving the public because as of 2000

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opens certain doís fare for anything Lee

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has said since then should be treated

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with the utmost skepticism and suspicion

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especially when it seems to back up the

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hoax narrative of mr. Morris let it be

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clear then that this is a conspiracy

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perpetuated by groups with knowledge and

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access to the film and materials this

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explains what some consider the best

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evidence were hopes in the form of

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restored images of the debris footage

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the lack of evidence from mr. Mallory

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over what has now been 11 years since

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coming forward should be viewed with the

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utmost or suspicion his far-fetched

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stories claims were making not one penny

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while ray made 50 million are laughable

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as I his recent slurs about ray

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regarding the defense of Diana Ganz

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Watson is not the man behind the viewing

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window Greg Simmons is not the man

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holding the debris both of these can be

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through the first autopsy film does not

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have an incorrect medical procedure and

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John Humphries did not make the alien

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more I witnessed by witnesses have

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claimed to see the alien autopsy footage

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or at least other segments of it before

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it was supposedly made then those that

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assisting petroglyphs of six fingered

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beings have been found in our past

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history recorded by our ancestors there

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were six children who witnessed s-- on

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May 31st 1947 the crash southwest of

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Sapporo and Survey's went on to do the

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recovery their account exactly matches

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that from the cam man statement okay

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they determined that these two alien

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autopsy films are real along with the

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debris footage possible footage of the

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recovery of the vehicle and that

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showing the president up Truman may also

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be in raised position we may never know

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for sure but one thing I am sure of is

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that this was covered up and there is an

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ongoing conspiracy behind the reality of

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the footage okay Colleen us thank you

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but just slightly over the five minutes

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let my time to go off going off an out

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and get to in the interest we're

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shutting off but thank you very much for

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that as much about it now we're going to

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and over to air to spear us to give him

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this it's slightly over five minutes if

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he wants that just to put this point of

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view across it's over to you where

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spirits thank you thank you okay my

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position is that it's never changed

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since the beginning I met Ray Santilli

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in early 1995 and it was either

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suggested to him that I could make an

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agonal taught to film for him properly

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he had already showed me a a very bad

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mock-up of a supposed alien autopsy

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which we now know to be the tenth

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footage and we know that's a fake has

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been admitted by the people up in Milton

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Keynes a Kay music that they made that

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footage so that's never been in

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contestant but what must be important

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here is that scientific did present that

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film as real in the early stages and it

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wasn't until I pointed out to him that

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it isn't real and and why it's not real

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that he backed out of that and I think

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there's lots of evidence to show that

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lots of people that was shown it out

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real believed that that's what his

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furthermore when I suggested that I make

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a proper film for him he was interested

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but was concerned that it would stand up

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to scrutiny so my my initial target was

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to make a film which would stand up to

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scrutiny I knew that I had to do it in

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total secrecy so

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I put together a very tight team made up

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of one of my best friends John Humphries

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at the time was a special-effects expert

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but it is a traditional sculptor a Royal

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Academy Award sculptor and lecturer he's

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more than qualified to make the alien

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that we see in the a a footage be that

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as it may the other people that I had

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that I involved were very close to me my

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girlfriend my brother and my business

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partner Greg Simmons the only people

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that had access to Ray Santilli at that

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time with myself and Greg Simmons no one

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else had access to Ray Greg would look

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after the finances he would take money

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to pay for props and for materials and

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anything else that might be needed and I

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was basically reporting back to Ray as

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to what we were doing how we were doing

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it when it would be delivered I got the

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feeling that Ray was up against the cost

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in terms of time he needed the the

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footage urgently because he promised it

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to so many people and on on that basis

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and that basis alone we had to do this

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in a very very short space of time I'd

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like to emphasize at this point also

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that what my commission with Ray was to

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make a and agonal topic he did not ask

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me any point to make the debris footage

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that came from me personally because I

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fancied doing it we did that exactly the

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same time in the same room in a house in

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Camden in London the the most important

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part about this whole situation is that

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Ray had been counting a an ordinal in

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autopsy

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since 1993 there's evidence of lots of

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people having been told that he had an

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alien autopsy in 1993 no-one was shown

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anything other than that the 10th

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footage right up to 1995 if there's

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anybody down there that's seen anything

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other than Tim footage ready to step

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forward I have not found as

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one I doubt that you will either fall in

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but be that as it may if that's the

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situation the Tim footage with the third

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sling scene and the second thing scene

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was the alien autopsy that I created in

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1995 miss essentially registered a

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copyright with the Copyright Office in

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America for an alien autopsy which was

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supposedly made in 1947 and that rig

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istration was made in 1995 which was

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after I had made the footage the

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question of course would be why he

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didn't register it earlier than that if

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he had it from 1993 we will never know

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the answer to that question but it does

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point a big finger towards the 1995

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timeline the other big questions that we

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must also consider is that he says that

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there isn't really but there was

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original film and that we made that film

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from that the images of an existing film

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it's it's documented that Ray Santilli

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did not meet John Humphrys until after

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the alien was made the only contact John

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had with what the image looked like was

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my personal drawings that I gave him

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they just to wind up the images that are

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supposedly real I supposed to be inside

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a fake film that I made this is an

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admission that Santilli has already put

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out there but he cannot tell us what

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that's where those friends are okay and

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I'll leave that over here and we can

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talk from here on okay thank you very

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much sure thank you very much for that

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spiros okay now while proposed gentlemen

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is that we we we are now call into us

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some questions of both of you and you

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know if you wants to do that and if you

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want to answer them guys that's fine

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then we'll reverse that and spirits can

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answer ask questions of well Philip and

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they're calling if that's okay yeah I

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like it what I'd like to do is just

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clarify a couple things that both

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gentlemen have said coming pointed out

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that recently had been in Cleveland Ohio

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in 1992 platon disease is correct a lot

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of people think it was 1993 but it

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wasn't it was 1992 and and evidence to

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support that he's in the form I believe

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it was the Daily Mirror run an article

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about ray going out to Cleveland and Ray

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was talking excitedly about some of

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these acquisitions there which were

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music related memorabilia I believe it

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was Elvis related God mentioned of the

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alien autopsy of course so commonly

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spot-on with that not many people have

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realized that as for Spiros on the on

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the other hand what I can say as well to

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support what he said this will stay out

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the ball rolling not taking sides is

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that when all of us were first invited

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to view any footage that's myself

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Colleen Andrew was Mauricio by RT from

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Italy maybe one or two others the first

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film that was shown was the tenth

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footage and it was shown as being the

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genuine article and that piece of

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footage was also sold as part of a

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package to Fox and it was later

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withdrawn so again you know just to stay

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at the bar on in both gentlemen's

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opening Gavin the opening statement is

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indeed correct oh it's brilliant I have

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seen that newspaper article about Ray in

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1992 and I have been in Ray's office

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viewing the tip footage a copy of which

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he gave me by the way which I still have

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on VHS here today so there we go

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okay so over to you then calling if you

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you know if you'd like to we're starting

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that'd be brilliant things that said

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like

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I think mr. Morris is saying oh okay

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Spiros I well I think he was saying that

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Ray was talking about and you know he

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was talking about the Aryan or talk to

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back in 93 but he his story is that

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obviously they didn't get the funds to a

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90 I think it's November 1994 or so he

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claims that that footage came over to

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London Heathrow I would imagine so he

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wouldn't've been out how to register it

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until actually would have physically had

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it his hand so I don't think he could

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have claimed that you know he he

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actually had the stuff in his hands he

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would be registering it anytime before

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then going back to the UM the

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temperatures I think that the claim is

387
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but it was in a summer quite vague

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approach art music and Keith Bateman in

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the summer of 94 and this may have been

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a stopgap because he was trying to

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procure the funds and get funding

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however much it was to the cameraman and

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he claims that there was up to a year

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where they I think they didn't even he

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didn't talk to the cam man so it was

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eventually the temperature tell seems

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very strange I think ray tells a story

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about how when he was transferring that

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the film originally that this piece of

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footage ended up as being claimed to

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have been retrieved from the actual

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footage itself and I think this is what

403
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caused a lot of confusion at the time

404
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but I actually did believe that these

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images because it was supposedly 22

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reels if you believe what I was saying

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and that some of these images had come

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from the original canisters and Ray

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claimed so he himself actually showed it

410
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to the cameraman and he couldn't quite

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place there why just wondering if that

412
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was an early attempt at some disinfo

413
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thereby bit of skullduggery going on

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behind the scenes and I think the idea

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that ray actually gave this footage any

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credibility would be you know I I don't

417
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think how anyone can see that and say

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that they could give up

419
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it's any credibility in Colin you get

420
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you interject a minute please there yes

421
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are you familiar with the footage there

422
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have been some friends of the tent

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footage where a sign was inserted in pop

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in one version after the event if you

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saw that is that this or security code

426
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yeah yeah why would ray having realizes

427
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it's not the right film why would he

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then have them insert a fake sign into

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what would have been a real film in his

430
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mind no idea so so I think we can

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establish that that skullduggery was

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going on in this entity camp at that

433
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point well buddy yeah but but who were

434
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they being manipulated from outside well

435
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they're outside agencies they were it

436
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was transferring the filming and this is

437
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another interesting question and you

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know if if there was an outside agency

439
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involved at this point in this Junction

440
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why did they allow the AAA footage had

441
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it be if it was real why would they

442
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allow it to be written released in in

443
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the Fox program when they were a soap

444
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that were involved so early on because

445
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the Fox program basically said look this

446
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is real that's how pointed it point I

447
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think when I was the point I'm making

448
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about right I think was under the

449
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impression that this had actually come

450
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from the same batch of canisters that

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he'd got over from America and he was

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under the impression that I can give you

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the quote in CERCLA but it's from my

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lecture my Billy Whittaker to Levin

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right but the making is let's suppose

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that he did think it was part of the

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batch that came from America let's

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suppose that's true okay for a second at

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the point that he discovered that it

460
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isn't why would he then have them add a

461
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sign to that footage if he wasn't just

462
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trying to pull out the wool over the

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eyes of the viewer it maybe he was like

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if I could have had there been us

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pop gap he was trying to recreate it to

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the best of his ability and up to that

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point so I think this happened in what

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notes it happened in the summer of 1994

469
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so maybe he was trying to see if they

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could recreate it to such a level of

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what he had seen in in Ohio two years

472
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before so maybe he was trying to see

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with her he could fall other people into

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the you know how convincing it was I can

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accept that but if we accept if we do

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accept that then what we're saying is

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what he saw is the template is not the

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autopsy footage that I created because

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because but they're so different

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how could he recreate what he says he

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saw if it's a different image but he was

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I mean he I don't think he'd seen all

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the 22 canisters of film to be honest

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with you

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so it could be back this was another

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piece from an alleged tent set up at the

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debris site or something like that so

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basically what you're saying is that he

489
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saw the tent footage but he never

490
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actually received it ever but he did try

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to recreate it I think he wanted to see

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if someone could maybe he had his doubts

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about the footage himself maybe I mean

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he wasn't ufologists was he I mean he

495
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was just a you know an entrepreneur

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record person who once he made some

497
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money but you know maybe he maybe he

498
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thought he was big he was being had by

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someone maybe he thought he was being a

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head brother but a camera man himself

501
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maybe he thought that well if I you know

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if I can reproduce something like that

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then you know maybe he had his doubts I

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think I think he had his doubts but I

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mean Chris Chris yeah can we please make

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a note just for the record that we've

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established that Mis essentially is is

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of the mind of creating fake footage for

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the time yeah I can put that down I can

510
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write that down because if we agree with

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what we just said he is now somebody who

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is capable of taking some footage that's

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what we need to know for the time being

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yeah please please carry on coming

515
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what I think you know it's very

516
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interesting what Keith Bateman statement

517
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is I mean he he there was lots of

518
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:08,039
strange things going on it all depends

519
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:10,049
obviously if you believe that spirit

520
00:25:14,989 --> 00:25:12,089
tone the true for you know it was

521
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actually genuine an autopsy film from

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1947 cause Keith Bank was saying that

523
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when the footage just released you know

524
00:25:25,459 --> 00:25:22,589
we suspected iPhones were being tapped

525
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and there was a night he said when the

526
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alarm system went off and things had

527
00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:30,749
been touched but later realize files

528
00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:33,209
been disturbed intakes moved and he also

529
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,309
claims that sent earlier told in fact

530
00:25:41,329 --> 00:25:37,559
here don't be lost quite a few questions

531
00:25:43,129 --> 00:25:41,339
from certain authorities and that there

532
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:43,139
had been breakings and things like that

533
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and if this is all a hoax then why these

534
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,529
things happening is it like can I just

535
00:25:55,399 --> 00:25:52,320
interject there when it comes to claims

536
00:25:58,969 --> 00:25:55,409
made by ramp race and Tilley he made

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quite a large number of them the ones

538
00:26:05,899 --> 00:26:01,859
that were being able to be verified all

539
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,909
tend not to be false for example he

540
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:07,559
claimed to have shown the film to a

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number of riddling just leaders when

542
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:13,320
asked whom he gave the names in the

543
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,169
location proved to be false he gave the

544
00:26:20,539 --> 00:26:18,779
name and location of where the film was

545
00:26:24,619 --> 00:26:20,549
allegedly processed when they were

546
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:24,629
contacted proved to be false in reality

547
00:26:28,999 --> 00:26:26,700
with a number the greatest respect to

548
00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:29,009
both gentlemen here neither of you I

549
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:30,899
believe of met Keith Bateman and

550
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:33,570
interviewed him in person because Marcel

551
00:26:41,899 --> 00:26:38,129
from Russell Callahan have done and and

552
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:41,909
Keith us told the full story of the

553
00:26:53,209 --> 00:26:45,659
alien autopsy tent footage section of it

554
00:26:54,949 --> 00:26:53,219
and and how he made it upon the request

555
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:54,959
of a some sort of no thoughts of wreck

556
00:26:59,419 --> 00:26:57,779
recreating anything you know and if you

557
00:27:01,219 --> 00:26:59,429
would speak if you'd speak to him now he

558
00:27:04,579 --> 00:27:01,229
would he would go on the record and tell

559
00:27:07,249 --> 00:27:04,589
you the whole story so what is clear

560
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:07,259
from from from from my point of view

561
00:27:10,779 --> 00:27:09,929
whether he believed the temp forties was

562
00:27:13,129 --> 00:27:10,789
real of

563
00:27:14,509 --> 00:27:13,139
sake doesn't really make any difference

564
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:14,519
at the moment but that was the piece of

565
00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:17,070
film that they essentially used as bait

566
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:18,990
he did it with me

567
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:21,299
and others and I believe he self also

568
00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:22,860
spirits that was the first thing you

569
00:27:28,509 --> 00:27:25,950
were shown there's a very first thing he

570
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:28,519
showed me yes yeah and it wasn't until

571
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:31,500
ray employed a gentleman called Chris

572
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:36,120
Kerry that things started to change one

573
00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:37,529
of the old when you talked about that

574
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,230
the art and Dec movie Colleen just a

575
00:27:44,629 --> 00:27:42,000
couple of things in there really the

576
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:44,639
only true parts one is how they winged

577
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:48,299
it which is exactly what they did and

578
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:50,039
how much money they were making not in

579
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,720
piles of cash like that shown in the

580
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:54,000
movie Chris Kerry was brought in yet to

581
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:55,950
steady the ship and also do the

582
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:00,000
contracts now Chris Kerry knew that I

583
00:28:05,419 --> 00:28:03,480
had a copy of the Ghent pottage and he

584
00:28:08,749 --> 00:28:05,429
wasn't happy about he even asked for it

585
00:28:11,419 --> 00:28:08,759
to be returned and I I declined at a

586
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:11,429
conference in San Marino where we first

587
00:28:17,899 --> 00:28:13,610
showed some of the stills from the film

588
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:17,909
i'am private arranged a viewing of the

589
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:21,840
tent footage and mr. Kerry and I almost

590
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:23,610
came to blows because he didn't want

591
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:27,870
anyone to see it and if it wasn't been

592
00:28:32,590 --> 00:28:29,820
for my wife am i you know things may

593
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:32,600
have actually come to blows that night

594
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:36,659
so I could say the the tent will feed

595
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:38,190
you know how it came to be he's well

596
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,100
documented and I think we should move on

597
00:28:45,379 --> 00:28:43,200
from that because with respect whereas

598
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:45,389
have no part in that you know I wasn't

599
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:46,919
involved and never claimed to be

600
00:28:54,619 --> 00:28:50,970
involved in it and but can we take it

601
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:54,629
from there gentlemen please but it is

602
00:29:02,720 --> 00:28:59,279
worth mentioning that raided contact

603
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:02,730
here in 1993 is that correct he did ray

604
00:29:09,619 --> 00:29:05,610
wrote to me not to me personally he

605
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:09,629
wrote to blue Florida in 1993 and as it

606
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,779
was a letter concerning as possible

607
00:29:20,409 --> 00:29:16,080
documentary it was passed on to me as I

608
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:20,419
was their press officer and one up I

609
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:22,980
initially spoke to the day it was very

610
00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:24,360
vague about what he was look

611
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:27,140
each optin well are very general

612
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:29,730
documentary and he was looking to see

613
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:32,280
what beautiful could supply we had any

614
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:34,530
images stock images filmed footage

615
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:40,530
etcetera I replied in writing and then

616
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:43,950
we spoke the elemental he told me that

617
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:46,860
he had this Roswell footage so I

618
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:50,100
obviously pressed him on it I met him

619
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:52,910
for the first time at the London

620
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:56,640
Business School near Regents Park I

621
00:30:03,049 --> 00:29:59,490
believe not that far from Ray's offices

622
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:03,059
actually we were hosting an evening with

623
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:07,890
Travis Walton and Mike Rogers for the

624
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:10,950
release of fire in the sky and I invited

625
00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:13,770
ray along and he told me that he got

626
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:17,160
this film not that it was getting it not

627
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:19,530
that it was on the way not that it was

628
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:21,710
waiting for the money that he actually

629
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:27,960
had it and it was a Roswell didn't go

630
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:29,610
into any great detail he just said an

631
00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:32,910
alien autopsy so there was no this real

632
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:37,040
description of the film so obviously I

633
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:39,780
challenged him show me it and this went

634
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:42,540
on yes I can no account it gave various

635
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:46,590
excuses and I basically said it's just

636
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:48,500
another you know

637
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:52,980
fantastical story and then in early 1995

638
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:56,580
I received a VHS copy in the mail of

639
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:00,360
Roswell the movie for review it was a

640
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:03,720
small release in the UK and now ray had

641
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:05,490
given me his business card when I met

642
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:09,210
him and so I just thought I wonder if

643
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:11,250
that some chili chuck still claims to

644
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:14,250
have this footage so I rang him up yes I

645
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:14,490
do

646
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:18,120
believe me fell it was so I can't

647
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:22,320
believe you until you show me and it's

648
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:23,880
it make an appointment and come and see

649
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,370
it it's all my wife and I went down

650
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:28,470
there at first he shoulders of the tent

651
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:31,650
footage that's all his shoulders and a

652
00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:33,809
copy gave me which I still have here

653
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:36,390
over the ensuing months the next few

654
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:38,220
months these shoulders well

655
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:42,330
the autopsy film and the the debris film

656
00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:45,740
and the rest as they say is history

657
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,390
point is though he surely wouldn't see

658
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:50,760
and discussing something about film that

659
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:53,130
Spiros was not going to make till April

660
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:55,860
95 you know a couple of years before

661
00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:58,860
because he'd have to be pretty confident

662
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:00,750
that he had something that could matched

663
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:04,230
up to an alien autopsy it just seems

664
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:07,500
very unlikely that he would spend two

665
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:10,380
years for you know discussing it with

666
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:13,799
you and before it had even been made you

667
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:17,490
know you can assume what you like

668
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:20,100
negative is one-nil race confidence or

669
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:22,950
not that that at that stage all I can

670
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:24,750
tell you is what happened

671
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:28,409
I can't look inside Ray's head and see

672
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:30,450
what it was planning or not planning or

673
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:33,690
what ideas he had would I be fine from

674
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:39,030
my interview with the others that were

675
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:42,510
involved in the tent footage was that

676
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:45,090
they were they had a great sense of

677
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:45,630
humor

678
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:49,110
they were Jack the lugs yeah

679
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:53,490
they played pranks they would have silly

680
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:56,850
ideas zany ideas of how they could make

681
00:33:04,190 --> 00:32:59,880
their next project and it was out of

682
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:04,200
that that the alien autopsy was born you

683
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:07,049
know so Ray was a monster at the

684
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:08,940
youstick girl they told me they used to

685
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:12,539
go to the film festival in in in France

686
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,260
every year and they would hire a car to

687
00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:18,059
get from the airport and back and and

688
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:20,400
shuttle themselves around and they would

689
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,970
literally race back to the to the

690
00:33:28,010 --> 00:33:25,440
airport and they would do all kinds of

691
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,020
silly I mean Keith Bateman wants for

692
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:30,299
example Syst asked me he says just

693
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:31,860
absolutely essentially about the toilet

694
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:33,750
roll up his exhaust pipe and that was

695
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:35,370
one of the stunts they pulled you know

696
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:39,150
so you know that's one of the advantages

697
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:42,090
of speaking to these people in person

698
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,400
I can't look inside raids head I don't

699
00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:46,380
know what he was planning on I was

700
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:48,390
thinking all I can tell you is what

701
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:52,210
happened may I share something with you

702
00:33:58,169 --> 00:33:54,580
because I'm in a quite unique position

703
00:34:00,810 --> 00:33:58,179
because I was both in the situation you

704
00:34:06,629 --> 00:34:00,820
was in Phillip and then I became the

705
00:34:11,309 --> 00:34:06,639
person that Ray was was was employing

706
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:11,319
right so so first of all he told me all

707
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:13,710
the stories about the alien autopsy

708
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:16,899
having been real and he's bought it from

709
00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:19,450
this guy in America and blah blah blah

710
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:21,669
but all of that story okay

711
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:24,700
and although I thought he was mad I

712
00:34:29,279 --> 00:34:26,919
still I still thought you know what

713
00:34:31,019 --> 00:34:29,289
let's see that let's see the image let's

714
00:34:33,299 --> 00:34:31,029
see what he's talking about let's give

715
00:34:35,099 --> 00:34:33,309
him the benefit of the doubt when I saw

716
00:34:37,799 --> 00:34:35,109
the 10th footage I realized it was a

717
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:37,809
fake I noticed from the from his body

718
00:34:47,029 --> 00:34:41,169
language that he tried it on and he

719
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:47,039
failed and at that point my my role

720
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:50,529
changed from being the guy being conned

721
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:55,089
to the guy making the con okay so I've

722
00:35:00,599 --> 00:34:57,010
seen both sides of the fence and I see

723
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:00,609
how the man operates now what what I can

724
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:06,089
tell you about Ray is is very simple he

725
00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:10,260
he will create a situation for example

726
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,500
he he had me make a Beatles program once

727
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:16,480
okay it's in the he's out there

728
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:19,690
somewhere and it was made of news

729
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:22,150
footage Beatles news footage and the

730
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:25,980
idea was can we put a sound-alike band

731
00:35:33,569 --> 00:35:31,049
onto a Beatles tape with images of a bit

732
00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:33,579
it was in news footage which is

733
00:35:39,569 --> 00:35:36,190
copyright free and sell it is there a

734
00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:39,579
market for it so what right what right

735
00:35:45,299 --> 00:35:43,000
did was he started telling distributors

736
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:45,309
that this program already existed it

737
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:46,630
would they be interested in buying it

738
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:49,599
now it wasn't in existence we had to

739
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,150
create it but he wasn't gonna spend the

740
00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:54,400
money and find out nobody wanted to buy

741
00:35:59,339 --> 00:35:57,670
it so until he got somebody bite the

742
00:36:04,410 --> 00:35:59,349
hook he didn't make it

743
00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:04,420
okay exactly the same MO as the agonal

744
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:05,020
foxy

745
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:07,180
is there a market for it before we spend

746
00:36:12,329 --> 00:36:09,430
the money so when he walked around

747
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:12,339
telling people he already had it it was

748
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:16,270
it was a kind of a let's test the waters

749
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:19,089
and see now I'd like to I'd like to ask

750
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,730
for in a couple of questions if he can

751
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:23,440
give maybe slide should shine a light on

752
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:28,210
a couple of issues that I have okay um

753
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:29,830
okay you are you okay with that calling

754
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:35,040
vehicles okay good okay um first of all

755
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,050
let me just put words into your map now

756
00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:40,000
so I want to just get just understand

757
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:41,260
your position okay

758
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:44,140
are you saying is it true is it correct

759
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:47,290
that you're saying that I am some way

760
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,180
being paid by government officials to to

761
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:55,380
tell lies about a film which is real

762
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:59,020
give that your position yeah I don't

763
00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:00,070
think you'll be doing it for nothing

764
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:03,460
okay good okay so that's fine that's

765
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:06,430
what so okay so what we're saying here

766
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:10,060
is the film is real based on information

767
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:13,750
we've got from Ray Santilli yes yeah and

768
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:16,420
other people okay well those are the

769
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:18,070
people are they somebody wouldn't talk

770
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:22,180
to or they just like mike maloney I

771
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:24,490
guess and so okay one baloney hearsay

772
00:37:34,099 --> 00:37:32,490
no no no I'm gonna give you some

773
00:37:36,540 --> 00:37:34,109
evidence

774
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:36,550
excuse me gentlemen could i interject

775
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:39,369
that yes I know I've met Mike Maloney

776
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:42,760
and interviewed him in person okay and

777
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:48,240
that there is a connection between

778
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:52,060
evidence I'll call the evidence between

779
00:38:03,839 --> 00:37:57,609
Mike and yourself spit off loss I I

780
00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:03,849
can't say that mike maloney witness what

781
00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:05,830
he claims to witness what I can say

782
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:09,880
because he showed me as do you he killed

783
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:13,740
me the event in his diary

784
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:17,200
so Mike he's one of those gentlemen who

785
00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:18,940
keeps diagnosed of his

786
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:20,440
appointments for those that are not

787
00:38:26,130 --> 00:38:23,050
aware mike maloney was a a an

788
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:26,140
award-winning press photographer and at

789
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:28,690
some point I don't remember the year he

790
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:32,079
was sent out to Disney to cover some new

791
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:35,260
movies they were releasing and through

792
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:37,210
his connections with Disney's claimed

793
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:39,730
and a secret meeting there was young

794
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:43,440
UFO films real and something similar

795
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:46,300
they're not the same as the alien

796
00:38:50,609 --> 00:38:47,800
autopsy that's very important

797
00:38:54,359 --> 00:38:50,619
yes and I really felt it he did melt it

798
00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:54,369
in his diary which he showed me yeah

799
00:39:01,410 --> 00:38:57,460
similarly spare us one is if you're home

800
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:01,420
looking at the documentary evidence you

801
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:03,970
have one of the things that you produced

802
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:07,630
was your diary if your various meetings

803
00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:10,660
therefore detailed in so I'm not saying

804
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:13,630
you know and I thought is real or fake

805
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:17,260
what I'm saying is we did go to Disney

806
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:19,300
and did have that meeting yes I don't

807
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,030
dispute that what I do dispute is the

808
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:24,880
bit where he said that the images that

809
00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:27,670
he saw were identical to my film they

810
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:30,700
didn't stay like that okay it was

811
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:34,240
similar and of course you know mike

812
00:39:41,069 --> 00:39:36,280
maloney was one of a handful of people

813
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:41,079
who only came forward after the event I

814
00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:43,750
have no record of Mike talking about

815
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:46,300
this prior to the alien autopsy being on

816
00:39:53,099 --> 00:39:50,380
TV so so we can establish this right

817
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:53,109
let's be fair to Mike okay he saw

818
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:55,810
something but we don't know what he saw

819
00:40:01,530 --> 00:39:59,680
is my film that's fair isn't it I think

820
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:01,540
it's absolutely fair yes you can it was

821
00:40:05,609 --> 00:40:03,400
similar piece but you said the person

822
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:05,619
made the difference that could be true

823
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,520
that could be true okay I can do that

824
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:11,920
but but the thing is it doesn't actually

825
00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:14,050
put my film in that be that time frame

826
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:16,329
or in that patient picture at all it's

827
00:40:23,609 --> 00:40:18,700
same as when when Clifford stone said

828
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:23,619
that he saw my film in 1969 actually

829
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,450
that can't be possible and that I oh I'm

830
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:27,520
the one that knows this because I made

831
00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:27,760
it

832
00:40:32,099 --> 00:40:30,220
now you can't you don't have to you

833
00:40:32,849 --> 00:40:32,109
don't have to believe me okay because

834
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:32,859
we're gonna use

835
00:40:36,329 --> 00:40:34,900
the things that will prove it but but

836
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:36,339
for the time being I can tell you that

837
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:37,930
categorically without a shadow of a

838
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,569
doubt I'm telling you and he can sue me

839
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:42,839
I'm telling you Clippers don't lied okay

840
00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:46,420
because when I asked him to his face did

841
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:48,789
the foot did you see was it like this

842
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,400
footage or was it exactly the same he

843
00:40:56,009 --> 00:40:54,160
said it was identical that tells me

844
00:40:57,479 --> 00:40:56,019
everything I need to know but let's move

845
00:40:58,859 --> 00:40:57,489
on to their evidence let's move on to

846
00:41:02,180 --> 00:40:58,869
evidence that's something we're craving

847
00:41:05,579 --> 00:41:02,190
for okay

848
00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:05,589
grace entities rhetoric is that there

849
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:08,920
was an original film and that we copied

850
00:41:15,539 --> 00:41:12,910
that original film film okay um now have

851
00:41:18,329 --> 00:41:15,549
you changed your standpoint calling to

852
00:41:20,609 --> 00:41:18,339
say that I was involved in making a fake

853
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:20,619
film are you saying I wasn't involved

854
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:23,650
ever I'm saying he wasn't involved ever

855
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:26,410
and okay great yes I thought you said

856
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:29,650
okay well Wright himself has admitted

857
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:33,400
that I was involved as Hank John had

858
00:41:39,299 --> 00:41:37,839
done on ripples yeah but this is what

859
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:39,309
I've said in my statement about you know

860
00:41:46,259 --> 00:41:42,730
how things changed in 2006 that's Ron

861
00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:46,269
I no longer you know I review every I've

862
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:48,430
you every thing he says is very

863
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:53,410
suspicious and I guess I may I'm being

864
00:41:59,309 --> 00:41:56,460
treated can I just interject there I

865
00:42:03,150 --> 00:41:59,319
think you mean there's no problem look

866
00:42:05,489 --> 00:42:03,160
I'm in a no on my pan I think when holly

867
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:05,499
mentions 2006 he's talking about how the

868
00:42:12,989 --> 00:42:10,900
undec film in the documentary is that

869
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:12,999
the a manifest yes alien are top-secret

870
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:17,650
okay yes what is the point is we knew

871
00:42:24,229 --> 00:42:21,210
about Spiros prior to the undec movie

872
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:24,239
John Humphrys had been in negotiations

873
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:31,210
with US TV producer Bob Kabir a

874
00:42:36,359 --> 00:42:34,380
gentleman who used the name of Simon

875
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:36,369
contacted as a couple of years before

876
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:40,450
that and initially this one email asked

877
00:42:46,019 --> 00:42:43,690
if there was any interest still in the

878
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:46,029
alien autopsy film my article have been

879
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:46,810
on the front

880
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:48,850
a viewer for magazine and he'd seen that

881
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:51,670
and I said yes he went on to tell me

882
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:53,620
that he was a very good friend of

883
00:43:00,360 --> 00:42:58,030
someone that was involved in it we met

884
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:00,370
Simon my cell phone a gentleman

885
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:02,200
colleague called Timothy was in

886
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,000
Manchester and he went on to give us

887
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:09,760
enough information there not

888
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:12,730
deliberately he didn't tell us John

889
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:15,010
Humphrys name give us enough information

890
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:17,260
and we discovered who he was talking

891
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:19,450
about I was John Humphries and we

892
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:22,630
contacted him myself and vodka beer and

893
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:27,850
and he was in contact with Bob during

894
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:30,130
that conversation with Bob I don't know

895
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:33,910
if this was email our on the phone he

896
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:36,760
made the statement it's spirits you need

897
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:40,750
to speak to not Spiros malarious but he

898
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:44,020
just said Spiros see on myself and Tim

899
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:47,110
and Bob here were looking for somebody

900
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:51,400
called Spiros which if you google Spiros

901
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:53,710
it doesn't come up and provide you with

902
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,690
a lot of evidence backing it was 2004 so

903
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:00,640
you know we already knew there was a

904
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:03,970
spirit involved long before the ant and

905
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:07,230
Dec film and the and the subsequent a

906
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:11,290
accompanying documentary so and stop put

907
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:13,330
that on the record please carry on sir

908
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:18,330
okay I I did send both Chris and Phillip

909
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:21,010
an email exchange that I had with Ray

910
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:26,800
Santilli which was on 13th October in

911
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:33,640
2018 I'm sorry 2016 sorry 2016 and that

912
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:36,910
was straight after the world's greatest

913
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:40,210
hoax his TV program with the Bruce

914
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:45,310
Burgess produced I was very upset with

915
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:49,900
with Bruce Burgess because he assured me

916
00:44:54,750 --> 00:44:52,780
that he would not be even even

917
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:54,760
interviewing Ray Santilli in that

918
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,310
program because I wasn't I wasn't happy

919
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,480
to Perpetua

920
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:00,640
great the idea there was real

921
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:03,849
reigns in my film okay so what happened

922
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:05,650
was he did interview right and Tilly and

923
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:07,660
Ray Santilli got the opportunity to say

924
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:09,160
and it was a liveliness that would

925
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:12,130
happen that the film was he calls it a

926
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,410
restoration I'm not sure whether or not

927
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:15,760
that's because he doesn't understand

928
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:17,559
what the word means or whether it's

929
00:45:24,509 --> 00:45:21,130
because it's it's fudgy enough to to get

930
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:24,519
away with using it a restoration is that

931
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:27,430
what it is if it's a reproduction then I

932
00:45:31,799 --> 00:45:29,710
can I can get what you say but he's

933
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:31,809
saying it's a restoration and the reason

934
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:34,440
he said that was because he kind of sees

935
00:45:40,259 --> 00:45:37,390
you know an artist painting on a piece

936
00:45:42,809 --> 00:45:40,269
of canvas and whether painting has faded

937
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:42,819
if somebody's painted on top of it okay

938
00:45:47,339 --> 00:45:44,710
well that hasn't happened that's not how

939
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:47,349
you do you can't do that with film so so

940
00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:49,900
I don't know what he means by that but

941
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:52,750
regardless I wrote to Ray and I said I

942
00:46:02,970 --> 00:45:55,390
feel that I was stitched up because

943
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:02,980
Bruce Burgess essentially got more of a

944
00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:05,410
say in the program than I did and I felt

945
00:46:10,769 --> 00:46:07,630
that sent any instrumental it was

946
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:10,779
instrumental to that Ray's answer and I

947
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:12,490
won't go through the whole text but but

948
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:13,869
I'll just read you a bit that's

949
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:15,609
important for what we're talking about

950
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:16,240
here

951
00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:20,650
he says Spears I didn't make the show I

952
00:46:27,809 --> 00:46:25,000
did not into I did not interview John

953
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:27,819
and I didn't know what they filmed with

954
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:30,730
you overall show seemed well balanced

955
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:33,190
and the one message is that a brilliant

956
00:46:41,009 --> 00:46:37,390
team worked in the project team that

957
00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:41,019
should be working together now I thought

958
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:44,440
you had the best say I won't say what it

959
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:46,390
says next is about Nick Pope and then

960
00:46:50,579 --> 00:46:47,650
I'll go on to the next bit which is the

961
00:46:53,759 --> 00:46:50,589
final bit which is you we should be

962
00:46:58,380 --> 00:46:53,769
working together in progressing the a a

963
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,390
beyond the film of 1995 I don't know

964
00:47:03,390 --> 00:46:59,920
what that means can you explain that to

965
00:47:04,589 --> 00:47:03,400
me please Collin wow this totally

966
00:47:08,099 --> 00:47:04,599
confirms what I said in my opening

967
00:47:11,339 --> 00:47:08,109
statement that as of 2006 he had been

968
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:11,349
coerced into changing the narrative and

969
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:13,560
that's why it gave your

970
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:17,160
you're only coming but my point is that

971
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:19,890
if I wasn't involved why would he say

972
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:23,640
that I was we just go back I don't wanna

973
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:27,060
paraphrase in any way that a brilliant

974
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:29,850
team worked on in the project team that

975
00:47:34,850 --> 00:47:32,730
should be working together now we should

976
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:34,860
be working together in progressing the a

977
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:37,650
a what what does he mean by that clearly

978
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:41,640
I will put the team yes but this is no

979
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:42,870
difference to what you were saying in a

980
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:44,490
man investigates that you know the team

981
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:46,170
was being you know over set up and

982
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:47,460
everything so there's no difference

983
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,280
between what he's saying now in 2006

984
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:52,880
okay so are you saying he's lying there

985
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:56,160
I'm saying that he's lying yeah yeah

986
00:48:02,690 --> 00:47:58,770
okay mr. Evers could you please just

987
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:02,700
note down again mr. Santillan is capable

988
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,170
of lying okay let's just write that down

989
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:05,760
as well because we do this

990
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:09,960
systematically okay whether for you know

991
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:17,400
frets or coercion okay mr. Santilli said

992
00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:19,230
that there are some real frames among

993
00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:35,790
the film I made but no one could take

994
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:37,590
that seriously but he couldn't even

995
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:39,330
remember where the frames were in the

996
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:44,790
actual is the thing that I did okay what

997
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:48,750
I did was I asked him publicly to please

998
00:48:54,260 --> 00:48:52,140
show us where these frames are so we can

999
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:54,270
establish which is real and which isn't

1000
00:49:02,450 --> 00:48:58,020
he never replied then what I did was I

1001
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:02,460
asked if there are real frames within

1002
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,920
the film then somebody must have edited

1003
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:06,780
them in because I edited the entire

1004
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:08,550
thing and I don't know of any new and in

1005
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:11,070
real film so it's surely somebody else

1006
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:13,950
must have anything to him okay and he

1007
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:17,220
gave the name of Frank salif's at Canon

1008
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:21,930
video is that correct film yes okay so

1009
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:27,310
so I then text ray and I asked him

1010
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:31,030
do you know who Frank Salas is and he

1011
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:33,880
says no we'll check emails and report

1012
00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:35,890
back okay this is the text that I've

1013
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:39,220
sent to fill and to Chris okay he right

1014
00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:42,570
I said he claims to have transferred to

1015
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:47,020
the a a film to beta and VHS ray then

1016
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:50,290
replied no no idea who he is

1017
00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:53,770
okay then I said then I said cannon

1018
00:49:59,880 --> 00:49:56,740
video question mark he said I can't

1019
00:50:02,359 --> 00:49:59,890
remember what I did yesterday let alone

1020
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:02,369
what a suppose maybe just don't remember

1021
00:50:08,609 --> 00:50:04,359
him on any level

1022
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:08,619
this is the most important piece of film

1023
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:12,070
in the history of mankind according to

1024
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:14,710
Ray and he doesn't remember this guy at

1025
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:17,410
all Frank's Allison knows nothing about

1026
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:21,090
this what Frank's Ellis did was he

1027
00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:24,850
duplicated it VHS tapes for sale that's

1028
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,940
all he ever did okay so he has no

1029
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:29,680
knowledge of editing anything into

1030
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:33,220
anything so still we don't know where

1031
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:35,470
this real film is now let's just move on

1032
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:38,310
from that to one other pertinent point

1033
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:42,820
if as you say there was original film at

1034
00:50:47,849 --> 00:50:44,830
one point and Ray had it in his

1035
00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:47,859
possession before he was in any way

1036
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:51,100
intercepted by the men in black okay or

1037
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:54,100
whoever we're talking about if he had

1038
00:51:03,420 --> 00:50:59,920
this film at that point in time why

1039
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:03,430
didn't he show it to anybody we mean

1040
00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:06,250
actual canisters you may know a film he

1041
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:08,500
did he didn't have it tested he didn't

1042
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:12,810
have it shown nobody saw any real film

1043
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:16,260
so you're saying that Frank Salas was

1044
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:19,510
he's have you talked to Frank Silas yes

1045
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:21,340
I have French sellers that knows nothing

1046
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:23,170
about this he all he ever did was

1047
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:27,010
duplicate VHS copies for sale if you

1048
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:31,510
know what ray did know whether master

1049
00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:33,310
Ray went along with a master and said

1050
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:34,869
could you make me 300 copies of this

1051
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:38,290
please from 16 millimeter know from

1052
00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:40,690
beat'em meter SP and

1053
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:43,660
and the Beatrice P by the way came from

1054
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,970
me he had my waterfall studios label oh

1055
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,160
that's not what it says on Philips

1056
00:51:53,069 --> 00:51:50,880
transcripts okay he's sent to me well

1057
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:53,079
what did you what do you think French

1058
00:51:59,010 --> 00:51:56,950
selleth did well he worked did he

1059
00:52:00,450 --> 00:51:59,020
supposed to work for canon wasn't he and

1060
00:52:03,089 --> 00:52:00,460
immediately is it yeah it's a

1061
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:03,099
duplication house yeah he's playing back

1062
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:09,900
he transferred 60 millimetres video yeah

1063
00:52:18,029 --> 00:52:13,230
you say that but where's your evidence

1064
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:18,039
okay okay okay take your point movies

1065
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:25,450
like it's a defend himself maybe maybe

1066
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,250
the listeners listening into this as

1067
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:29,200
well maybe they can find out what French

1068
00:52:34,099 --> 00:52:30,670
sellers did as well because he'll tell

1069
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:34,109
them okay what do you think he did right

1070
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:38,500
Phil well you know what I would do with

1071
00:52:46,349 --> 00:52:41,170
Ray is probe him every now and again not

1072
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:46,359
listen a Freudian slip there but no I

1073
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:48,730
would ask him questions and see if I

1074
00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:51,630
could get some information from it and

1075
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,670
he'd already said it in the early days

1076
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:57,119
that the film was transferred by I

1077
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:00,420
forget whom and that was proven to be

1078
00:53:06,990 --> 00:53:04,210
bogus so I asked him again who

1079
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:07,000
transferred the film onto video for you

1080
00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:11,650
and he said it was Frank Salas that

1081
00:53:17,849 --> 00:53:15,400
canon video and I said well can I you

1082
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:17,859
know can I speak to him so I literally

1083
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:19,089
phoned

1084
00:53:25,470 --> 00:53:23,200
Frank tell us up he wouldn't speak me to

1085
00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:25,480
speak to me to begin with until he got

1086
00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:27,339
permission from Ray

1087
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:29,980
I believe Ray are the phony more facts

1088
00:53:33,930 --> 00:53:32,020
Tim yeah we still had fax machines in

1089
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:33,940
those days were going back a bit yeah

1090
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:38,079
and Frank told me that he did transfer

1091
00:53:46,769 --> 00:53:42,220
16 millimeter film up onto video

1092
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:46,779
did he tell you what was on that film I

1093
00:53:52,829 --> 00:53:50,430
pressed him I also pressed him about the

1094
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:52,839
state of the film you know was it

1095
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:54,010
damaged

1096
00:53:58,380 --> 00:53:55,930
because Ray had already said that saw

1097
00:54:00,360 --> 00:53:58,390
the sprockie ax poles were damaged and

1098
00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:00,370
so on and I just thought what if you

1099
00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:03,340
transferring it on a machine then it

1100
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:05,620
would have to be treated with care if it

1101
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:09,760
was in a fragile state and Frank tell us

1102
00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:12,100
I believe wouldn't comment on the age or

1103
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:16,300
the condition of the film they yeah I

1104
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:18,910
got the impression he was being a bit

1105
00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:21,760
cagey but that could have been something

1106
00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:23,560
because he was protecting their clients

1107
00:54:28,050 --> 00:54:25,660
confidentiality I'm not suggesting

1108
00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:28,060
anything else can't prove anything else

1109
00:54:34,530 --> 00:54:32,140
all like I showed calling the transcript

1110
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:34,540
file a few years back I believe yeah

1111
00:54:38,910 --> 00:54:37,210
post actually a month there's no secret

1112
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:38,920
about it but that's what he claimed he

1113
00:54:45,740 --> 00:54:41,250
claimed franchise claim be transferred

1114
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:45,750
16 minute inmate to film onto video

1115
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:48,850
okay I know what that is if that's what

1116
00:54:52,350 --> 00:54:50,410
he says because there was there was a

1117
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:52,360
number of bits of footage of a boat

1118
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:54,010
which had nothing to do with the alien

1119
00:55:00,360 --> 00:54:57,630
autopsy which was 1947 footage of

1120
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:00,370
President Truman a very solid newsreel

1121
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:02,800
pass a news that sort of thing if that

1122
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:06,400
I've still got the reels and if that's

1123
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:12,580
what you just interject here as well one

1124
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:14,830
other thing is you were saying Spiros

1125
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:18,610
yes is that why didn't trace until he

1126
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:20,740
show any of the original film to anyone

1127
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:23,490
I have literally been sat in his office

1128
00:55:32,550 --> 00:55:27,760
with alleged film canisters behind his

1129
00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:32,560
desk trying every which way I could to

1130
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:34,600
persuade him to let me have a look at

1131
00:55:40,650 --> 00:55:38,020
the original film he claimed he had it

1132
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,660
there in these office and I said I don't

1133
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:42,880
need to touch it I don't need to breathe

1134
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:45,450
on it I just want to look at it and

1135
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,090
confirm that it is actually real and he

1136
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:52,240
went it wouldn't show me okay can I just

1137
00:55:55,590 --> 00:55:54,100
interject there gentlemen Colin I think

1138
00:56:02,490 --> 00:55:55,600
he wanted to make a point just a few

1139
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,500
seconds ago it was in 16 millimeter film

1140
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:04,960
and of the alien autopsy showed nothing

1141
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:07,600
so it wasn't as Bureau says

1142
00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:10,570
what I just said he might have done a

1143
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:13,000
transfer of a different film but the the

1144
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,130
VHS what kind of video do their a

1145
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:17,200
duplication house they're not an editing

1146
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:21,070
facility and what my point is regardless

1147
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:23,800
of what what's on record and what he's

1148
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:25,660
done what he's done is duplicate which

1149
00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:28,090
is what he does but what he didn't do

1150
00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:31,300
and this is my point he did not insert

1151
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:35,560
real frames within a bogus film oh yeah

1152
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:37,390
I'm not arguing about because I think

1153
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:41,140
that we can we let the record show that

1154
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:42,970
that part of the story that race

1155
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:46,990
Antilles across it's also fake yes yes

1156
00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:50,290
well absolutely I mean what I would say

1157
00:56:59,220 --> 00:56:55,120
at this stage channel is we're dealing

1158
00:57:00,600 --> 00:56:59,230
with evidence we were extensively leave

1159
00:57:02,730 --> 00:57:00,610
him out of it for the moment because

1160
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:02,740
he's not here to debate it's between you

1161
00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:06,160
your two different viewpoints now Colin

1162
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:08,740
you've met a number of claims that are

1163
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:12,400
being clarified here by Spiros for some

1164
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:17,890
reason he's been paid by whoever to

1165
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:22,300
perpetrate this false story yeah what I

1166
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:26,170
would say is what evidence is do you

1167
00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:29,770
have to support your claims and I'm not

1168
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:31,720
talking about you've spoken to people

1169
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:33,430
I'm talking about evidence that can be

1170
00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:37,090
viewed can be double-checked by anyone

1171
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:38,380
listening to this show tonight

1172
00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:40,840
for example Spiros has just made a claim

1173
00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:44,320
about cannon video there on the record

1174
00:57:50,430 --> 00:57:46,540
the jumpers name is on the record so

1175
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:50,440
anybody yourself included who doesn't

1176
00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:52,390
believe what spin-offs of descent can

1177
00:57:58,110 --> 00:57:55,180
approach cannon video and and double

1178
00:58:02,730 --> 00:57:58,120
check that you made a statement that in

1179
00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:02,740
your opinion nospherus is lying or is

1180
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:07,830
being paid to perpetuate a lie by

1181
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:11,770
unknown agencies what evidence have you

1182
00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:15,700
got to support this well the number of

1183
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:17,470
things I mean I'd go back to Reggie

1184
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:19,690
Presley's account in his book world

1185
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:21,510
things they don't tell it because he was

1186
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:26,010
close to I guess than most people to Ray

1187
00:58:29,539 --> 00:58:28,230
Santilli I mean I don't know how close I

1188
00:58:32,539 --> 00:58:29,549
don't actually think that spirits

1189
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:32,549
exactly did you did you ever meet rich

1190
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:35,609
Rizzoli a couple of times but it wasn't

1191
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:40,710
that I was work with rich and I got the

1192
00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:44,280
job through write funny night I filmed I

1193
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:48,150
filmed the tropes at a but this but but

1194
00:58:55,460 --> 00:58:52,770
Linzer can't holiday camp and we spoke a

1195
00:59:00,140 --> 00:58:55,470
great detail and rich being a wonderful

1196
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:00,150
lovely man believes in or believed

1197
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:03,660
wrestled in aliens and crop circles and

1198
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:05,250
everything that you throw at him he

1199
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:07,260
believed it everything that you throw at

1200
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:10,260
him okay and he was telling me in

1201
00:59:18,020 --> 00:59:13,740
Butlins over coffee that the tent

1202
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:18,030
footage was real and this he had no

1203
00:59:24,260 --> 00:59:19,619
doubt about that

1204
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,270
that it was real okay so as I say I

1205
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:26,160
don't want to speak ill of anybody so I

1206
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:29,970
loved I loved the band right I'm telling

1207
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:32,970
you he was misguided and anything that

1208
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:35,490
he said in his book it must be taken

1209
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:36,660
with a pinch of salt he went on

1210
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:39,839
television touting the 10th footage okay

1211
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:44,240
she did we mustn't lose sight of that

1212
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:47,970
okay what what if Colin can carry on

1213
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:49,650
please with the points you wanted to

1214
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,980
raise please Collin basically just for

1215
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:54,240
people who don't know and I think it's

1216
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:57,510
an interesting little bit they'll read

1217
01:00:00,440 --> 00:59:58,859
you actually warned ray to make more

1218
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:00,450
than one copy of the footage this might

1219
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:03,390
explain why also Philip didn't have

1220
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:06,450
access to the canisters maybe I think at

1221
01:00:09,020 --> 01:00:07,650
the time and that way would have been

1222
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:09,030
very paranoid and he would have it in

1223
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:11,250
secure location and it wouldn't be

1224
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:13,170
something maybe this is what explains

1225
01:00:16,579 --> 01:00:15,089
why these burglaries were happening and

1226
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:16,589
they couldn't actually get hold of the

1227
01:00:19,819 --> 01:00:18,119
actual footage

1228
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:19,829
I actually think Amy and they did get

1229
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:21,299
hold of that they confiscated it whether

1230
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:23,670
it was whether they actually said they

1231
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:25,410
were from the military or it was it like

1232
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:27,240
I don't know like a Blackhawk where

1233
01:00:35,269 --> 01:00:28,770
people went in there and like took the

1234
01:00:38,029 --> 01:00:35,279
canisters and you know going

1235
01:00:39,529 --> 01:00:38,039
I'm just suggesting didn't happen you're

1236
01:00:43,909 --> 01:00:39,539
saying it like it happened who didn't

1237
01:00:46,279 --> 01:00:43,919
happen gentlemen while I will say to

1238
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:46,289
both gentlemen is it the time when the

1239
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:48,689
alien autopsy film hit the headlines

1240
01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:51,689
before it was seen on TV it was the

1241
01:00:57,229 --> 01:00:55,049
first UF World War fought online

1242
01:01:01,099 --> 01:00:57,239
it was the infancy of the Internet I

1243
01:01:03,709 --> 01:01:01,109
mean it went crazy and all kinds of

1244
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:03,719
things and attempts were made to get

1245
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:06,900
their hands on the footage because

1246
01:01:13,819 --> 01:01:11,609
nobody apart from a small selection of

1247
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:13,829
is an achene anything and Ray was

1248
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:17,819
bombarded by UFO researchers some with

1249
01:01:24,909 --> 01:01:22,079
good intentions some not by the media so

1250
01:01:28,009 --> 01:01:24,919
it would not have surprised me if some

1251
01:01:31,729 --> 01:01:28,019
stupid bugger didn't try to get into

1252
01:01:34,819 --> 01:01:31,739
Ray's office facilities because they

1253
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:34,829
were made known you know it wasn't a

1254
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:35,369
secret

1255
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,619
for example I'm in there one day with my

1256
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:39,599
wife and a film crew just turn up on the

1257
01:01:45,019 --> 01:01:42,089
doorstep demanding an interview not them

1258
01:01:47,479 --> 01:01:45,029
booked anything and they actually filmed

1259
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:47,489
myself and Ray and my wife walking down

1260
01:01:53,299 --> 01:01:49,380
the road to the Chinese restaurant that

1261
01:01:55,609 --> 01:01:53,309
was all they got so he was endure under

1262
01:01:58,759 --> 01:01:55,619
siege on I mean he brought it on himself

1263
01:02:01,069 --> 01:01:58,769
but he was under siege what I'm saying

1264
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:01,079
kind is you've met a direct accusation

1265
01:02:14,569 --> 01:02:06,809
that Spiros is being paid to tell her a

1266
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:14,579
lie here no you tell ya all right

1267
01:02:23,449 --> 01:02:21,599
gentlemen let's keep not in this

1268
01:02:25,099 --> 01:02:23,459
interview orders are not on here tonight

1269
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,109
to defend themselves this is about

1270
01:02:31,999 --> 01:02:28,319
yourself and your position and and

1271
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:32,009
Spiros and his position I'm asking you

1272
01:02:38,479 --> 01:02:35,130
you know like I would ask anybody like I

1273
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:38,489
asked racing Tilley I when Ray made

1274
01:02:44,059 --> 01:02:41,130
these claims it was a simple thing to

1275
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:44,069
say well that's a great story ray show

1276
01:02:48,859 --> 01:02:47,729
me and initially each other couldn't or

1277
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:48,869
wouldn't

1278
01:02:54,049 --> 01:02:51,960
but eventually he did so I'm saying to

1279
01:02:58,700 --> 01:02:54,059
you what evidence have you got that

1280
01:03:01,219 --> 01:02:58,710
Spiros molarity is being paid by at some

1281
01:03:04,009 --> 01:03:01,229
government agency to perpetrate a lie

1282
01:03:07,339 --> 01:03:04,019
not what it says in somebody's book what

1283
01:03:10,609 --> 01:03:07,349
what we and the listeners can go out and

1284
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:10,619
double check tomorrow but first I would

1285
01:03:14,299 --> 01:03:12,839
say that because we verse that back it

1286
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:14,309
says fear us and say whatever that's the

1287
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:16,200
v-cut but I'm coming to that I'm going

1288
01:03:19,459 --> 01:03:17,640
to come to that in a moment I'm gonna

1289
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:19,469
ask spare us the same thing I'm not

1290
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:21,150
speaking to Spiros at the moment I'm

1291
01:03:26,930 --> 01:03:23,910
asking yourself it's your turn to chew

1292
01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:26,940
it to to give our listeners an ideal of

1293
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:28,680
the evidence that you have to support

1294
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:31,650
your statement okay well the main things

1295
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:34,920
about hint for me but it's basically a

1296
01:03:40,009 --> 01:03:37,890
covered up with the team of people that

1297
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:40,019
Spiros was placing in charge was was

1298
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,180
what we actually see in the film itself

1299
01:03:48,670 --> 01:03:45,119
so I'm referring to that the guy in the

1300
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:48,680
window behind the autopsy table

1301
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:51,690
supposedly care of Watson and someone

1302
01:03:55,579 --> 01:03:54,180
who was introduced I believe and this

1303
01:03:57,769 --> 01:03:55,589
actually leads into a question for you

1304
01:03:59,900 --> 01:03:57,779
feel about garrison and and when you

1305
01:04:03,349 --> 01:03:59,910
actually first met that that that

1306
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:03,359
character and also Greg Simmons who this

1307
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,390
girl has said is actually the soldier

1308
01:04:09,890 --> 01:04:08,579
who holds up the day brief footage and

1309
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:09,900
these are two things that I said this

1310
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,089
time and time again so I'm doing the

1311
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:14,880
face of my book about you know what what

1312
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:18,359
makes you so convinced that there is you

1313
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:22,680
know that it was a real film it's

1314
01:04:25,969 --> 01:04:24,210
basically because the people they

1315
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:25,979
brought forward who were supposedly you

1316
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:28,140
see in the film will be R Greg with his

1317
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:30,900
hands holding the knee you know the

1318
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:33,299
panels and iam I've been so have you met

1319
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:36,569
Greg I've not met Greg no no it's not

1320
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:39,059
his hands right well I know over then we

1321
01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:46,799
would be having this conversation isn't

1322
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,269
great because of his hands but you

1323
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:49,920
haven't actually seen his own I just

1324
01:04:52,999 --> 01:04:51,450
want to make the point that you're not

1325
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:53,009
making a statement of fact here you just

1326
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:55,049
making a statement I would also say why

1327
01:04:59,150 --> 01:04:56,670
have you taken 11 years to share his

1328
01:05:00,979 --> 01:04:59,160
hands no no no no that's not

1329
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:00,989
Stickley your evidence for the time

1330
01:05:04,539 --> 01:05:02,809
being all right

1331
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,549
question and the other and the other one

1332
01:05:08,709 --> 01:05:07,039
about Gareth Watson I mean clearly I

1333
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:08,719
mean if you look at the photos of him

1334
01:05:13,779 --> 01:05:11,089
and when he was recorded on that a man

1335
01:05:17,289 --> 01:05:13,789
investigates he was like I don't know

1336
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:17,299
mid thirties or something possibly he

1337
01:05:21,339 --> 01:05:19,729
doesn't you know but in yet he obviously

1338
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:21,349
this was filmed 11 years ago if we

1339
01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:24,049
believe it in a flat in Camden and if

1340
01:05:27,309 --> 01:05:25,640
you actually look at the guy it just

1341
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,319
doesn't match with him it's not he would

1342
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:29,839
have been far too young to be who that

1343
01:05:35,799 --> 01:05:32,809
person is in the viewing window and

1344
01:05:37,390 --> 01:05:35,809
surgical mask so well I don't think you

1345
01:05:39,759 --> 01:05:37,400
know I don't I don't think this I mean I

1346
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:39,769
I know I've met galas I met him in Ray's

1347
01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:45,039
office in the very year but looking 95

1348
01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:47,150
1995 because that was the first time I

1349
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:49,400
ever went there and he was there on a

1350
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,650
regular basis and he worked with with

1351
01:05:54,909 --> 01:05:53,119
Gary Sheffield a lot

1352
01:05:57,969 --> 01:05:54,919
I mean I've literally seen him watch him

1353
01:06:00,009 --> 01:05:57,979
you know video takes up I think they did

1354
01:06:01,870 --> 01:06:00,019
something like Doctor Who once and I

1355
01:06:05,999 --> 01:06:01,880
don't I know there was a lot of Doctor

1356
01:06:07,870 --> 01:06:06,009
Who videos in the office piles of them

1357
01:06:12,189 --> 01:06:07,880
so it was something they weren't

1358
01:06:15,370 --> 01:06:12,199
involved in so I met him very well and

1359
01:06:17,499 --> 01:06:15,380
it to be honest he wasn't that much

1360
01:06:20,949 --> 01:06:17,509
younger than myself so he certainly was

1361
01:06:22,929 --> 01:06:20,959
old enough him in my opinion and in my

1362
01:06:25,089 --> 01:06:22,939
opinion I used to galaxy looks like him

1363
01:06:27,999 --> 01:06:25,099
to me yeah you know I don't have any

1364
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:28,009
doubt about that I haven't met Greg

1365
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:31,249
Simmons so oh I know it could have no

1366
01:06:36,219 --> 01:06:34,249
hands I've never met before you know so

1367
01:06:37,959 --> 01:06:36,229
I can't forget it getting back to the

1368
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:37,969
original question though let's get to

1369
01:06:41,439 --> 01:06:38,150
that

1370
01:06:43,449 --> 01:06:41,449
we're running out of time so what's the

1371
01:06:47,169 --> 01:06:43,459
evidence cooling this has finished that

1372
01:06:48,849 --> 01:06:47,179
bit off and yeah well I mean your lack

1373
01:07:00,099 --> 01:06:48,859
of evidence with I would say the first

1374
01:07:12,429 --> 01:07:00,109
one stories that you've come out with I

1375
01:07:14,019 --> 01:07:12,439
think this actually asked definite

1376
01:07:15,699 --> 01:07:14,029
questions get different answers what

1377
01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:15,709
we're here for so let's not talk about

1378
01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:16,460
what

1379
01:07:22,270 --> 01:07:20,030
your chance to put you in evidence

1380
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:22,280
forward calling now it's Spiros us today

1381
01:07:30,460 --> 01:07:27,520
okay now I when I first interviewed

1382
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:30,470
spiro spero stee contact me direct he's

1383
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:32,750
first spoke to Russell Callahan and

1384
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:34,490
Russell said Phillip this is it I think

1385
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,900
you've got your mobile number if I'm

1386
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:37,760
correct Spiros yeah you know what I

1387
01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:38,300
called him

1388
01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:40,700
villager and yes sir yes I do it seems

1389
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:43,000
you were checking stuff online and

1390
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:45,530
myself had Russell mainly Russell have

1391
01:07:50,890 --> 01:07:49,490
played a little DVD called alien autopsy

1392
01:07:52,660 --> 01:07:50,900
a little bit of this a little bit of

1393
01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:52,670
that I think that's the title of it and

1394
01:07:58,599 --> 01:07:55,700
you're contacting him is something about

1395
01:08:00,820 --> 01:07:58,609
that and I was contacted because he was

1396
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:00,830
using the copyright not what I saw why

1397
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:03,530
did I make it this film of course as

1398
01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:06,230
soon as as soon as he said you think you

1399
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:08,030
ought to speak to this gentleman he we

1400
01:08:13,690 --> 01:08:10,430
already had your first name Spiros and

1401
01:08:18,430 --> 01:08:13,700
then he said malarious now when I spoke

1402
01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:18,440
to you as I spoke to Ray coming keep

1403
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:19,640
saying account understand why you

1404
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:21,710
beliefs but also there said well I don't

1405
01:08:28,019 --> 01:08:25,130
believe him what I did say to you as

1406
01:08:31,450 --> 01:08:28,029
I've said to all the others is okay I

1407
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:31,460
don't disbelieve you people don't mind

1408
01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:35,089
show me you're making these claims mr.

1409
01:08:42,940 --> 01:08:38,060
Morris show me and what happened I

1410
01:08:45,309 --> 01:08:42,950
showed you exactly so I'll tell you what

1411
01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:45,319
happened kinda over a period of Columbus

1412
01:08:54,059 --> 01:08:49,700
a missions I was with my wife went to

1413
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:54,069
his house you could see that Spiros

1414
01:08:58,900 --> 01:08:56,060
although I don't think it makes this

1415
01:09:01,090 --> 01:08:58,910
that well no he's also a good artist

1416
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:01,100
because there were paintings that he had

1417
01:09:07,390 --> 01:09:04,670
done personally on the wall and he

1418
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:07,400
showed me not all of his evidence I'm

1419
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,250
going to admit that but a large

1420
01:09:16,269 --> 01:09:12,319
proportion of it most of it I believe

1421
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:16,279
was still in boxes and this included his

1422
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:18,290
diary which I mentioned earlier on and

1423
01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:21,290
there was meetings with Ray Santilli or

1424
01:09:27,849 --> 01:09:22,040
whoever

1425
01:09:30,190 --> 01:09:27,859
all noted there were original faxes from

1426
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:30,200
Kodak

1427
01:09:37,150 --> 01:09:33,230
detailing the edge codes that would be

1428
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:37,160
for known for the various years there

1429
01:09:43,810 --> 01:09:41,690
was also a huge I believe it was a

1430
01:09:45,850 --> 01:09:43,820
boxful but you collect me if I'm wrong

1431
01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:45,860
that I've been an index file a big file

1432
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:49,820
of military vehicles that's right

1433
01:09:53,650 --> 01:09:51,980
thanks paradox explained to me that at

1434
01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:53,660
one point they were talking about

1435
01:09:58,090 --> 01:09:56,150
building a crashed flying saucer and

1436
01:10:00,700 --> 01:09:58,100
having a military vehicle in it and

1437
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,710
spin-offs even showed me a photograph of

1438
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:02,480
the vehicle that were going to reproduce

1439
01:10:08,620 --> 01:10:04,910
because it on that photograph you could

1440
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:08,630
clearly read the the number plate so if

1441
01:10:12,850 --> 01:10:10,730
you went and checked in military records

1442
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:12,860
you would find that such a vehicle did

1443
01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:15,920
exist and I believe it was going to be

1444
01:10:21,820 --> 01:10:19,220
at a an abandoned go cap Stadium the go

1445
01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:21,830
kart game Wembley yeah and and my

1446
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:23,300
brother was livecast

1447
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:25,460
so we would make trap of President

1448
01:10:31,570 --> 01:10:28,940
Truman look-alike out of Peter so he

1449
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:31,580
would be in the scene and tell it rate

1450
01:10:39,190 --> 01:10:33,500
was telling people he had this footage

1451
01:10:44,110 --> 01:10:39,200
but yeah and fear us also played to me a

1452
01:10:46,150 --> 01:10:44,120
couple of tape recorded conversations

1453
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:46,160
with people that were involved these

1454
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:49,010
weren't secret to makes at the beginning

1455
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,260
spiros announced and asked permission if

1456
01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:53,600
he could record the conversation a

1457
01:11:00,940 --> 01:10:57,260
permission was granted and those

1458
01:11:03,310 --> 01:11:00,950
involved openly admitted that the film

1459
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:03,320
was a fake they use stronger words than

1460
01:11:07,630 --> 01:11:05,000
that I'll not use anything stronger than

1461
01:11:10,150 --> 01:11:07,640
that tonight but and these were

1462
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:10,160
principal players in it Colin they

1463
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:14,470
weren't yeah recorded

1464
01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:17,210
all I can tell you was recorded player

1465
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,560
when I when I when I met Spiros I don't

1466
01:11:26,380 --> 01:11:23,600
have the exact date the date of the

1467
01:11:28,270 --> 01:11:26,390
recording would probably be on there you

1468
01:11:30,910 --> 01:11:28,280
could you can't tell what it was the yes

1469
01:11:32,230 --> 01:11:30,920
yeah I think she could pull out a

1470
01:11:35,140 --> 01:11:32,240
cassette tonight say I've got an

1471
01:11:37,150 --> 01:11:35,150
interview here and on it I can write any

1472
01:11:39,940 --> 01:11:37,160
day I want I can't prove when it was

1473
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:39,950
recorded all I'm saying is that the baby

1474
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,930
has got these tapes I just I just think

1475
01:11:47,109 --> 01:11:43,739
that um it

1476
01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:47,119
done probably after 2006 this one since

1477
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:50,280
okay should we should we move on to some

1478
01:11:54,589 --> 01:11:52,650
facts of some actual evidence isn't

1479
01:12:02,529 --> 01:11:54,599
that's what you want isn't it Cullen

1480
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:02,539
so many white we've been waiting are 21

1481
01:12:07,609 --> 01:12:05,340
really out there and no one that guys

1482
01:12:12,049 --> 01:12:07,619
just to let you know we've got about 48

1483
01:12:15,919 --> 01:12:12,059
minutes left I'm eager - we get to some

1484
01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:15,929
nitty gritty okay Colin are you in

1485
01:12:23,989 --> 01:12:21,260
agreement that you were unable to find

1486
01:12:28,939 --> 01:12:23,999
another example of the autopsy table

1487
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:28,949
within the film that I made well I

1488
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:30,780
wasn't working too hard but I didn't

1489
01:12:34,129 --> 01:12:32,699
find anything why would you not look too

1490
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,139
hard you're an investigator of an

1491
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:35,760
important subject you're here to tell me

1492
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,249
that I'm wrong why would you not take

1493
01:12:43,580 --> 01:12:40,800
that challenge well you think I'm gonna

1494
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:43,590
find a an autopsy table set up a

1495
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:46,920
military lab in Dallas Fort Worth in

1496
01:12:52,399 --> 01:12:49,760
1947 it's gonna be on on Google is a

1497
01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:52,409
well it explains you have these things

1498
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,150
work because I don't think I can safely

1499
01:12:58,939 --> 01:12:56,880
say no and people listening people that

1500
01:13:00,979 --> 01:12:58,949
are listening can obviously could later

1501
01:13:02,779 --> 01:13:00,989
come in and tell me I'm wrong okay but

1502
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:02,789
I'm gonna put it on red board I can tell

1503
01:13:07,779 --> 01:13:04,440
you what happens when you make when you

1504
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:07,789
make an item such as an autopsy table a

1505
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:10,800
manufacturer tools up for that okay the

1506
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:13,739
factory doesn't just make one okay

1507
01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:16,800
they tall up and they make a specific

1508
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:20,300
model and they put it in a catalog and

1509
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,409
people that are in the business of

1510
01:13:25,549 --> 01:13:24,480
buying autoxidation popsicles and

1511
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:25,559
what-have-you

1512
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:29,369
would buy those those marketed items

1513
01:13:35,799 --> 01:13:32,670
because you couldn't just make one it

1514
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:35,809
wouldn't make sense to make one okay so

1515
01:13:39,620 --> 01:13:37,800
that's what would have happened they

1516
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:39,630
would have bought one and that would

1517
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,510
have been used for lots of autopsies it

1518
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:44,400
wouldn't be used for one and then thrown

1519
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:46,610
away okay because it's an installation

1520
01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:49,800
so I think it's fair to say that there

1521
01:13:56,839 --> 01:13:53,190
would be a wealth of other photos videos

1522
01:13:57,620 --> 01:13:56,849
it wasn't it was an unusual autopsy

1523
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,630
wasn't

1524
01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:59,760
autopsy though was it but to your saying

1525
01:14:04,629 --> 01:14:02,040
that they made us a table specially for

1526
01:14:07,070 --> 01:14:04,639
a body they had no knowledge of why not

1527
01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:07,080
okay because it's gray yet they had

1528
01:14:11,419 --> 01:14:09,239
already done the first autopsy okay

1529
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,429
camera it's not sensible that's why not

1530
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:13,920
but okay I'll let you have that for the

1531
01:14:19,129 --> 01:14:17,130
time being okay um are you familiar with

1532
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:19,139
a legal term called the law of

1533
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:23,040
probability this is important well I'm

1534
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,060
not just okay carry on in a court of law

1535
01:14:32,419 --> 01:14:30,000
okay if somebody that was in the witness

1536
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:32,429
stand said something watching was

1537
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:35,340
improbable okay the judge wouldn't take

1538
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:37,739
it into consideration but if it was

1539
01:14:44,959 --> 01:14:40,710
probable it would it would wait heavily

1540
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:44,969
towards finding of guilty or not guilty

1541
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:47,670
okay for example if you're in court an

1542
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,360
iron and I said to you I I posted you a

1543
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:54,360
letter and it's recorded delivery okay

1544
01:15:00,439 --> 01:14:58,170
and you say I didn't receive it okay the

1545
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,449
judge would say okay well it's been

1546
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:02,400
recorded delivery so the probability of

1547
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,699
it arriving is high so we've got to

1548
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:07,920
accept that you've got the letter mr.

1549
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:10,440
Watford whether you open it or not is

1550
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:12,330
irrelevant the probability of you

1551
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:15,600
receiving it is pretty high so we're

1552
01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:17,370
gonna accept it that you have received

1553
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:19,320
it regardless of the fact that you say

1554
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:21,510
you didn't have it okay that's how a

1555
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:24,449
court would work okay so in this

1556
01:15:29,770 --> 01:15:26,449
situation what I'm saying to you is

1557
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:29,780
let's look at the probability okay of

1558
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:33,690
them making a special autopsy table for

1559
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:37,920
aliens okay let's leave that there I

1560
01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:39,960
don't know the answer to that at all I'm

1561
01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:42,060
telling you is is that table does not

1562
01:15:47,629 --> 01:15:44,670
exist anywhere else in the world other

1563
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:47,639
than my film and the reason I know that

1564
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:52,320
is it's my design and I made it no no

1565
01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:53,670
it's fine you don't have to believe me

1566
01:15:59,810 --> 01:15:57,239
but let that stay there on the evidence

1567
01:16:02,660 --> 01:15:59,820
so far that you didn't find it anywhere

1568
01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:02,670
else I mean the probability of UFO is

1569
01:16:05,149 --> 01:16:04,350
quite small but it doesn't mean to say

1570
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,159
it hasn't

1571
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:07,440
yeah but nobody has to make that UFO you

1572
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:09,000
should be with me it's a one-off

1573
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:10,239
instance a

1574
01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:13,180
an alien autopsy is one thing but an

1575
01:16:19,410 --> 01:16:17,200
autopsy table is a common thing okay

1576
01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:19,420
so it's a facility is something that

1577
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:20,980
would have been in that institution

1578
01:16:26,459 --> 01:16:24,910
before the alien came along if you can't

1579
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:26,469
see that then that's okay we'll go to

1580
01:16:31,890 --> 01:16:27,790
know the workers claimed to have been

1581
01:16:33,870 --> 01:16:31,900
set up was it especially yeah well

1582
01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:33,880
within the month cause of the beings who

1583
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:37,750
died within the month of the crash have

1584
01:16:42,150 --> 01:16:39,340
been set up in the four weeks I guess

1585
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:42,160
yeah okay so my contention is this okay

1586
01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:47,530
I'm saying that I issued a a statement

1587
01:16:53,310 --> 01:16:50,680
which said it's on my website still and

1588
01:16:55,550 --> 01:16:53,320
I said that no one will be able to find

1589
01:16:59,490 --> 01:16:55,560
this table regardless of where they look

1590
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:59,500
now if this chain this table was genuine

1591
01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:02,080
I would have exposed myself ridiculously

1592
01:17:06,570 --> 01:17:03,640
wouldn't like it would be a silly thing

1593
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,580
to say so the probability of me knowing

1594
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:08,320
that you're never gonna find another

1595
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:12,210
table like that it was pretty high right

1596
01:17:18,780 --> 01:17:16,030
that true I was very confident that you

1597
01:17:21,180 --> 01:17:18,790
were not gonna find that table I've

1598
01:17:23,220 --> 01:17:21,190
walked in I can't find it right let's

1599
01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:23,230
move on to the next thing okay I also

1600
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:24,670
you should have challenged that these

1601
01:17:29,810 --> 01:17:27,070
suits within the film don't exist

1602
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:29,820
anywhere because I designed those too so

1603
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:32,290
right again we're not gonna find this on

1604
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:35,410
eBay are we why would you say that

1605
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:38,560
sounds like can I just can I just

1606
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:41,770
interject there what I will say is that

1607
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:44,860
the items that are seen on the film on

1608
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:49,330
the silk the microphone clock on the

1609
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:53,550
wall the telephone everything by

1610
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:57,520
countless people has been researched and

1611
01:18:06,540 --> 01:18:01,360
looked into from day one and nothing is

1612
01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:06,550
out of place what I will say is that one

1613
01:18:12,209 --> 01:18:10,540
of the TV shows at the time that took a

1614
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:12,219
negative stance against the film's

1615
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,050
Burroughs yeah was one called

1616
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:17,440
sightings made in America yes and they

1617
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:21,130
were have no doubt that the alien

1618
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:23,890
autopsy film was a hoax they were

1619
01:18:30,810 --> 01:18:26,590
at the launch of it in in our conference

1620
01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:30,820
in Sheffield they air the section on

1621
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:33,700
their shell saying that there were two

1622
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,540
things that were wrong with it amongst

1623
01:18:46,940 --> 01:18:40,860
others one that was that it should be

1624
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:46,950
filmed in color and then they showed a

1625
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:52,000
military autopsy film an official US

1626
01:18:58,740 --> 01:18:56,170
military autopsy film guess what it was

1627
01:19:01,650 --> 01:18:58,750
in black and white silver made a mistake

1628
01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:01,660
there and all the surgeons in the room

1629
01:19:07,950 --> 01:19:04,780
were worrying of course your regular

1630
01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:07,960
surgical equipment and the alien the

1631
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:10,180
autopsy table and everything else and it

1632
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:13,870
was standard issue so when it comes to

1633
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:15,250
looking for something that's out of

1634
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:17,890
place you know nobody has found it and

1635
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:21,190
that includes your table yes well

1636
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:22,690
because because I designed it to work

1637
01:19:27,060 --> 01:19:26,170
yeah yeah but it didn't exist anywhere

1638
01:19:30,510 --> 01:19:27,070
else at my point

1639
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:30,520
is this a machined item okay I made it

1640
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:35,920
by hand and and here's another thing we

1641
01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:37,900
haven't found this paper anywhere in the

1642
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:39,940
world and we haven't found the suits

1643
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:42,640
anywhere else in the world does accurate

1644
01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:56,310
yeah means to know when this all came

1645
01:19:59,460 --> 01:19:58,210
out ninety five there wasn't a lost you

1646
01:20:01,980 --> 01:19:59,470
know the internet which was starting

1647
01:20:04,230 --> 01:20:01,990
then so what I'm saying is that if there

1648
01:20:06,150 --> 01:20:04,240
was any film footage shown anything that

1649
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:06,160
would validate the alien autopsy would

1650
01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:17,110
probably be removed online or no no

1651
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:20,830
because we did find you did follow me

1652
01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:24,760
finish we did find evidence that did

1653
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:28,120
tend to support the possible reality of

1654
01:20:36,090 --> 01:20:31,210
the film and that was the alleged film

1655
01:20:37,730 --> 01:20:36,100
that was used the super xx and the fact

1656
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:37,740
that in

1657
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:41,890
another finish in 1947 there was a

1658
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:45,010
shortage of color film because it had

1659
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:47,770
been had been an embargo on public use

1660
01:20:54,030 --> 01:20:50,260
of it until after the end of the war so

1661
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:54,040
we found that the correct film to use in

1662
01:20:59,640 --> 01:20:57,370
filming such a the situation was this

1663
01:21:03,300 --> 01:20:59,650
super xx this was found in the Kodak

1664
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:03,310
archives so to say you couldn't find

1665
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:06,670
something at in 1995 that would support

1666
01:21:11,490 --> 01:21:09,070
what people were looking at it was

1667
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:11,500
incorrect because we did similarly with

1668
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:13,870
the telephone as soon as the film was

1669
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:16,930
shown at the London Business School with

1670
01:21:22,230 --> 01:21:19,510
the following day you know it was

1671
01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:22,240
confirmed as being authentic albeit the

1672
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:24,640
curly flex was an additional extra and

1673
01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:27,520
of course you know there was no internet

1674
01:21:33,570 --> 01:21:29,380
to remove things then that was actually

1675
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:33,580
at a museum so so so information was

1676
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:36,010
there and still is there okay sorry

1677
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:39,850
putting too much okay ask you as well

1678
01:21:45,630 --> 01:21:44,170
are you familiar when I know I know what

1679
01:21:47,610 --> 01:21:45,640
you're gonna say with regards to it but

1680
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:47,620
the important thrust of the question I

1681
01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:51,340
ask you is what potentially did okay are

1682
01:21:56,490 --> 01:21:52,990
you familiar that I issued a statement

1683
01:21:59,250 --> 01:21:56,500
to the expressed newspaper The Daily

1684
01:22:01,170 --> 01:21:59,260
Express and I said because it was

1685
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:01,180
talking about the alien autopsy and Ray

1686
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:03,490
saying it was real and I said would you

1687
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:05,590
like to do a lie-detector test the

1688
01:22:11,340 --> 01:22:08,050
three-phase lie-detector test with me

1689
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:11,350
ray grape and anyone else you'd like to

1690
01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:13,090
put in on mine I asked great whether he

1691
01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:15,460
would do it and he said yes okay so I

1692
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:17,380
know from my team I would have got great

1693
01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:19,630
and myself I said would would invite

1694
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:21,580
John but we're not sure whether John

1695
01:22:27,420 --> 01:22:23,410
would do it because he was already in

1696
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:27,430
sent in his pod yeah so until he agreed

1697
01:22:32,910 --> 01:22:30,730
to do it I then spoke to the to the

1698
01:22:36,810 --> 01:22:32,920
editor thre the reporter of the mouth of

1699
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:36,820
the newspaper it was copied in the

1700
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:40,180
emails and I said to him he won't do

1701
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,850
this his physical proviso she'll say yes

1702
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:44,800
you're gonna print that he said yes

1703
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:47,110
he'll do it and then he'll just won't do

1704
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:47,290
it

1705
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:55,280
wrote another email and I said could you

1706
01:22:58,810 --> 01:22:56,570
please tell me what's happening here

1707
01:23:02,410 --> 01:22:58,820
because it's you know we want to get it

1708
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:02,420
done we want to do it and Ray wrote back

1709
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,110
and said I'm sorry I'm bit I'm busy

1710
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:08,960
running a business and you know I'll get

1711
01:23:14,649 --> 01:23:11,890
round to it of course it hasn't happened

1712
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:14,659
now I'm the only one that was proactive

1713
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:18,530
in wanting to sit down and have a

1714
01:23:22,959 --> 01:23:20,870
3-phase lie-detector test I don't you

1715
01:23:24,729 --> 01:23:22,969
know what that is but a three-phased

1716
01:23:27,220 --> 01:23:24,739
lie-detector test is not the one that

1717
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:27,230
you would believe can be beaten okay

1718
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:29,530
what it does is if they link it up to

1719
01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:33,010
thought patterns or brain pattern

1720
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:36,040
activity they link it up to heart

1721
01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:38,750
activity and they link it up to your

1722
01:23:45,820 --> 01:23:42,260
sweat glands so sweating heartbeat and

1723
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:45,830
brain activity okay you cannot rekon it

1724
01:23:51,340 --> 01:23:48,170
you can't wall it you can't be hit it's

1725
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:51,350
that there's the latest thing I put

1726
01:23:59,020 --> 01:23:54,800
myself up for it and sent it II did not

1727
01:24:01,689 --> 01:23:59,030
turn up I can I just remind you of

1728
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:01,699
something as well Spiros yeah a few

1729
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:04,580
years back I don't know if if Chris are

1730
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:07,010
coming or wherever they said I only

1731
01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:10,850
recently reminded myself of it it was

1732
01:24:17,530 --> 01:24:12,860
one of the producers of the Jeremy Kyle

1733
01:24:20,380 --> 01:24:17,540
show oh yeah if I contacted him not you

1734
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,390
it's with my idea yes and I proposed the

1735
01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:23,120
Jeremy Kyle show like no other and that

1736
01:24:27,010 --> 01:24:24,830
the protagonists weren't whether you've

1737
01:24:29,709 --> 01:24:27,020
had my child or you've had an affair and

1738
01:24:33,220 --> 01:24:29,719
so on so it would actually be is this

1739
01:24:35,229 --> 01:24:33,230
film real we're talking about the alien

1740
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:35,239
autopsy film get up some chili on one

1741
01:24:42,189 --> 01:24:38,000
side and you on the other say no I made

1742
01:24:43,330 --> 01:24:42,199
it yes i reworked and as part of that

1743
01:24:46,030 --> 01:24:43,340
discussion

1744
01:24:48,490 --> 01:24:46,040
both you and and Santilli were to take

1745
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,500
lie-detector tests and the nine and

1746
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:50,960
essentially was all for this you know no

1747
01:25:00,300 --> 01:24:54,130
problem Philip then I took one little

1748
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:00,310
little rider in there the Ray supplied

1749
01:25:05,609 --> 01:25:04,010
the TV company with a piece of the film

1750
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:05,619
with image on it

1751
01:25:12,490 --> 01:25:08,210
that they would have independently

1752
01:25:15,310 --> 01:25:12,500
tested for its age and at the end of the

1753
01:25:18,339 --> 01:25:15,320
the show it would be like get out of DNA

1754
01:25:21,220 --> 01:25:18,349
test is it your son or not is it real or

1755
01:25:23,410 --> 01:25:21,230
not so you've both had your lie detector

1756
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:23,420
test the results of that being revealed

1757
01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:25,760
and who's telling the truth as soon as

1758
01:25:30,850 --> 01:25:27,380
you mentioned about testing the film

1759
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,860
guess what he lost interest but not only

1760
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:33,199
that Phil he didn't even we've got rid

1761
01:25:38,020 --> 01:25:35,000
of that aspect of it because let's

1762
01:25:40,270 --> 01:25:38,030
suppose that Colleen is right and it was

1763
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:40,280
taken away okay let's let's get let's go

1764
01:25:44,050 --> 01:25:42,050
with that for a minute let's say they

1765
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:44,060
confiscated the film so he can't produce

1766
01:25:48,939 --> 01:25:46,270
it anymore

1767
01:25:51,490 --> 01:25:48,949
why would he not take the guy detector

1768
01:25:54,939 --> 01:25:51,500
test now just just like ridiculous well

1769
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:54,949
he would on that point a few years back

1770
01:25:59,760 --> 01:25:57,920
I had a Russian film crew here and from

1771
01:26:02,379 --> 01:25:59,770
here they went to interview Ray Santilli

1772
01:26:03,790 --> 01:26:02,389
and he took him to his store and he

1773
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:03,800
shown him frames of the alien autopsy

1774
01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:07,520
and he has some you know behind a piece

1775
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:10,369
of plastic or some kind of clear

1776
01:26:17,260 --> 01:26:12,710
material which I'm held in my own hands

1777
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,270
yes he does you know he's got some well

1778
01:26:22,089 --> 01:26:19,520
what he's got is footage of I shot on 16

1779
01:26:27,069 --> 01:26:22,099
mil and the reason it's in plastic is so

1780
01:26:29,649 --> 01:26:27,079
that nobody test it is that it can't

1781
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:29,659
been resin so that nobody can get to it

1782
01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:32,570
yeah sure it did also show the Russian

1783
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,940
film crew Selma you know held out

1784
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:37,520
between these hands from a spoon yeah

1785
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:39,650
when he said he didn't heaven he yes

1786
01:26:42,189 --> 01:26:40,489
yeah

1787
01:26:47,260 --> 01:26:42,199
and he didn't let him anybody take it

1788
01:26:50,290 --> 01:26:47,270
away so it's privado it's all show okay

1789
01:26:52,959 --> 01:26:50,300
okay right so what I want to do now guys

1790
01:26:55,419 --> 01:26:52,969
he's and I think Colin's got one or two

1791
01:26:58,209 --> 01:26:55,429
mark questions that he doesn't want to

1792
01:27:00,220 --> 01:26:58,219
answer and round about the something to

1793
01:27:02,020 --> 01:27:00,230
do with the danger sign and destruction

1794
01:27:03,609 --> 01:27:02,030
of evidence sir I'm gonna I scare

1795
01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:03,619
Colleen again now calling a few if you'd

1796
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:13,000
someone else is writing a book about the

1797
01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:14,690
a mortal sin I think when I first

1798
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:16,670
actually contacted fearless I did ask

1799
01:27:21,190 --> 01:27:19,100
him about the danger sign band

1800
01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:21,200
I think he was gonna hold it back for

1801
01:27:25,630 --> 01:27:23,480
his book but I don't if he's prepared

1802
01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:25,640
now to talk about that because I think

1803
01:27:30,370 --> 01:27:27,980
it was this you know seemed that the

1804
01:27:32,710 --> 01:27:30,380
signs it's a maximum working time and I

1805
01:27:34,180 --> 01:27:32,720
think it was possibly two hours and I

1806
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:34,190
think there was a phone number

1807
01:27:41,140 --> 01:27:39,410
underneath it's August so maybe you

1808
01:27:43,150 --> 01:27:41,150
could reveal them it was it was a time

1809
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:43,160
limitation absolutely right what it's

1810
01:27:47,530 --> 01:27:45,770
fine limitation because we thought you

1811
01:27:49,150 --> 01:27:47,540
know what if they're if they're wearing

1812
01:27:52,150 --> 01:27:49,160
these suits and there's a contamination

1813
01:27:54,460 --> 01:27:52,160
problem nobody should be there for any

1814
01:27:56,410 --> 01:27:54,470
longer than a certain time we got that

1815
01:27:57,580 --> 01:27:56,420
because we kind of looked at x-rays and

1816
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,590
thought you know what when you when

1817
01:28:01,690 --> 01:27:59,600
you're doing x-rays no matter how much

1818
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:01,700
you stand behind the lead curtain you're

1819
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:03,890
not allowed to do more than X amount a

1820
01:28:08,740 --> 01:28:06,770
day and I just went along with that but

1821
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,750
it rang true it ran like it was a

1822
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:10,880
correct thing to do but bear in mind I

1823
01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:12,230
was making it up as I went along

1824
01:28:18,130 --> 01:28:13,880
I'm not I'm not a medical person I don't

1825
01:28:19,630 --> 01:28:18,140
know what was the bit underneath that

1826
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:19,640
piece of writing because it was a bit

1827
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:22,850
more do you know what we built I can't

1828
01:28:27,190 --> 01:28:25,730
really I made I made that sign and as it

1829
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:27,200
happened it's been accrued and closed

1830
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:29,450
then that that it was actually the wrong

1831
01:28:39,250 --> 01:28:32,810
dating for that time to be there did you

1832
01:28:42,190 --> 01:28:39,260
know that that layout sign wasn't around

1833
01:28:43,690 --> 01:28:42,200
in 47 and I made a mistake there so you

1834
01:28:44,230 --> 01:28:43,700
made it you made the sign but yeah

1835
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:44,240
absolutely

1836
01:28:48,460 --> 01:28:46,610
it was written on it I made the

1837
01:28:50,140 --> 01:28:48,470
incorrect the records show that you

1838
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:50,150
don't know what was written on it no you

1839
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,890
know I can't remember because it wasn't

1840
01:28:56,590 --> 01:28:53,600
important to me to understand that

1841
01:28:59,050 --> 01:28:56,600
really such a silly little thing on that

1842
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,060
wall it wasn't a big deal I can't

1843
01:29:05,380 --> 01:29:01,360
remember a lot of things is 23 years ago

1844
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,390
well I'm quite shocked to know I have

1845
01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:08,000
actually got the computer that I edited

1846
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:10,550
the whole thing on and it might be on

1847
01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:12,050
those hard drives and I'm now going

1848
01:29:16,450 --> 01:29:14,060
through those hard drives so this it's

1849
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:16,460
Windows 95 you can imagine right I can't

1850
01:29:21,730 --> 01:29:19,130
get it work on anything I'm trying to

1851
01:29:23,620 --> 01:29:21,740
get the holiday for workers well that's

1852
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:23,630
what leads on so the idea that you know

1853
01:29:26,830 --> 01:29:25,190
just you wouldn't be having this

1854
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:26,840
conversation if you didn't actually keep

1855
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:28,970
saying this evidence that was well I had

1856
01:29:32,979 --> 01:29:32,090
the operating a lot of stuff which is

1857
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:32,989
easy for it

1858
01:29:38,500 --> 01:29:36,050
example there is one of the suits that I

1859
01:29:41,379 --> 01:29:38,510
mentioned does exist okay

1860
01:29:43,089 --> 01:29:41,389
does exist so a physical version of that

1861
01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:43,099
suit the one I was actually wearing

1862
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:45,230
because I had that same suit on when I

1863
01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:47,090
was filming it I was in the same suit as

1864
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:49,670
everyone else now here's the number

1865
01:29:51,790 --> 01:29:50,570
thing I let me ask you another question

1866
01:29:54,669 --> 01:29:51,800
about the students because it's very

1867
01:29:56,350 --> 01:29:54,679
important do did you realize that you

1868
01:30:02,379 --> 01:29:56,360
can't see the piece in any of the

1869
01:30:04,989 --> 01:30:02,389
footage probably out but okay

1870
01:30:07,209 --> 01:30:04,999
the only way that they were breathing if

1871
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,219
they they were sealed suits as if it was

1872
01:30:12,669 --> 01:30:09,920
a air pipe to the boot yeah and I had

1873
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:12,679
this conversation with uniform but the

1874
01:30:20,319 --> 01:30:16,489
record here yeah okay so so there must

1875
01:30:21,129 --> 01:30:20,329
be a pipe going to the boot now do you

1876
01:30:26,020 --> 01:30:21,139
understand that

1877
01:30:30,220 --> 01:30:26,030
a areata pressurized suit would not be

1878
01:30:35,290 --> 01:30:30,230
flexible they would pull it there is

1879
01:30:37,060 --> 01:30:35,300
that back there yeah okay uh I now would

1880
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:37,070
ask you are you don't do it now but I

1881
01:30:40,750 --> 01:30:38,480
would ask everyone to look at the

1882
01:30:42,970 --> 01:30:40,760
footage and just concentrate on the

1883
01:30:45,580 --> 01:30:42,980
helmets of the people in the room don't

1884
01:30:49,470 --> 01:30:45,590
worry Matt I've seen it expanding you

1885
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:49,480
see it's not it's not pressurizing it

1886
01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:52,249
yeah but what you see I mean I did ask a

1887
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:54,409
question cuz it's the actual I mean I

1888
01:30:58,660 --> 01:30:56,210
know you acclaim but the interview of

1889
01:31:04,029 --> 01:30:58,670
the cameraman was you know this bum you

1890
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:04,039
got off the streets in he does actually

1891
01:31:08,169 --> 01:31:06,289
say I mean regardless of what you say

1892
01:31:11,950 --> 01:31:08,179
actually he does refer to this air vent

1893
01:31:13,419 --> 01:31:11,960
and coming up in the in the face I was a

1894
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:13,429
little surprised when you seem to not

1895
01:31:17,850 --> 01:31:15,679
realize that concern you know that that

1896
01:31:21,250 --> 01:31:17,860
whole thing was written by essentially

1897
01:31:24,879 --> 01:31:21,260
all the questions we'd like a man's bike

1898
01:31:27,970 --> 01:31:24,889
the cameraman all of it now I've got a

1899
01:31:32,020 --> 01:31:27,980
theory that Ray did meet a military guy

1900
01:31:34,450 --> 01:31:32,030
who was in Roswell in 1947 I don't think

1901
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:34,460
this guy's filmed an alien autopsy but I

1902
01:31:39,549 --> 01:31:36,800
do believe this guy was there because a

1903
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:39,559
lot of the information the detail came

1904
01:31:45,459 --> 01:31:41,570
from somebody okay

1905
01:31:46,750 --> 01:31:45,469
but the autopsy stuff all of that stuff

1906
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:46,760
about it that they're being

1907
01:31:52,420 --> 01:31:48,770
freaks and holding the boxes the boxes

1908
01:31:58,170 --> 01:31:52,430
are the control panels that I made from

1909
01:32:04,180 --> 01:31:58,180
my imagination okay is it okay okay

1910
01:32:07,570 --> 01:32:04,190
challenge me go back to go back to the

1911
01:32:15,220 --> 01:32:07,580
disruption of the evidence of the bodies

1912
01:32:17,650 --> 01:32:15,230
of the aliens so what the question I

1913
01:32:19,330 --> 01:32:17,660
might want to know is can you tell us

1914
01:32:21,130 --> 01:32:19,340
the process of how these bodies were

1915
01:32:23,260 --> 01:32:21,140
destroyed and who who was there when

1916
01:32:25,050 --> 01:32:23,270
they were destroyed can I just say

1917
01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:25,060
something

1918
01:32:32,170 --> 01:32:29,510
yeah the way I see it Collin is if if if

1919
01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:32,180
now if it said well you know what we

1920
01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:34,310
found one of the legs in in our in the

1921
01:32:40,060 --> 01:32:37,160
cellar or one of the arms or whatever

1922
01:32:42,490 --> 01:32:40,070
you know you would turn around say well

1923
01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:42,500
as it got a date on it you could have

1924
01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:45,910
made that yesterday but that's not

1925
01:32:50,650 --> 01:32:49,310
irrelevant can i it's very important

1926
01:32:55,090 --> 01:32:50,660
about what I said about the control

1927
01:32:57,460 --> 01:32:55,100
panels Colin okay have you seen in your

1928
01:33:02,320 --> 01:32:57,470
investigations anywhere in the history

1929
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:02,330
of time ever anyone mention or describe

1930
01:33:08,290 --> 01:33:06,290
those control panels yeah it was in your

1931
01:33:14,410 --> 01:33:08,300
documentary and Michael thank you but

1932
01:33:16,030 --> 01:33:14,420
anywhere in time before me denominator I

1933
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:16,040
think it's in Michael Hess man's work

1934
01:33:22,750 --> 01:33:19,330
beyond Roswell and wait what did he say

1935
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:22,760
he I might bill and he read reported on

1936
01:33:27,190 --> 01:33:24,650
yes well if you believe it's your film

1937
01:33:34,210 --> 01:33:27,200
that I'm talking about before then this

1938
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:34,220
happened in 1947 between 47 and 1995 why

1939
01:33:42,700 --> 01:33:38,170
has there been no mention at all of

1940
01:33:44,170 --> 01:33:42,710
six-fingered control panels but there

1941
01:33:47,170 --> 01:33:44,180
has been when the footage was shown

1942
01:33:50,170 --> 01:33:47,180
that's what that's after I made it Jesse

1943
01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:50,180
Marcel talked about debris not once did

1944
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:53,230
he mention a six-fingered control panel

1945
01:34:00,279 --> 01:33:55,970
above establish this isn't that was well

1946
01:34:03,279 --> 01:34:00,289
crash okay tell me who has mentioned

1947
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:03,289
six finger control panel ever in the

1948
01:34:10,419 --> 01:34:08,329
history of time before 1995 when someone

1949
01:34:13,179 --> 01:34:10,429
in I got about six finger one but there

1950
01:34:14,739 --> 01:34:13,189
certainly is a five-fingered people

1951
01:34:18,909 --> 01:34:14,749
working on it that you can see a photo

1952
01:34:20,469 --> 01:34:18,919
of in 1995 yes my whatever that book

1953
01:34:23,139 --> 01:34:20,479
came out said it would probably know

1954
01:34:27,099 --> 01:34:23,149
more and maybe it was a 96 I mean it was

1955
01:34:31,509 --> 01:34:27,109
a life is data hand and pen and they

1956
01:34:35,739 --> 01:34:31,519
they basically were working on a similar

1957
01:34:37,989 --> 01:34:35,749
idea but nobody showed them it they

1958
01:34:41,079 --> 01:34:37,999
haven't seen anywhere else they didn't

1959
01:34:44,139 --> 01:34:41,089
see an alien six-fingered control panel

1960
01:34:46,539 --> 01:34:44,149
nobody in the military who was there has

1961
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:46,549
ever ever reported a six-fingered

1962
01:34:52,059 --> 01:34:49,489
control panel advocates because it's

1963
01:34:55,059 --> 01:34:52,069
technology has seeded and given to

1964
01:34:57,429 --> 01:34:55,069
corporate corporations to him but they

1965
01:35:00,159 --> 01:34:57,439
mentioned they mentioned the i-beams and

1966
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:00,169
they mentioned the bendy metal that

1967
01:35:03,759 --> 01:35:02,449
comes out and all that control that is

1968
01:35:05,829 --> 01:35:03,769
technology that would have been held

1969
01:35:07,929 --> 01:35:05,839
back to but they didn't they didn't hold

1970
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:07,939
that back they just chose to choose to

1971
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:10,129
pick something that I made in 1995

1972
01:35:15,250 --> 01:35:12,649
because there's no evidence that was

1973
01:35:18,789 --> 01:35:15,260
actually existed before I made it if my

1974
01:35:22,599 --> 01:35:18,799
claiming that I made it in 1995 your

1975
01:35:25,959 --> 01:35:22,609
rebuttal must be oh but listen Marcel

1976
01:35:29,349 --> 01:35:25,969
story in my dear Buddha teman sure or

1977
01:35:32,739 --> 01:35:29,359
somebody else yeah but somebody who was

1978
01:35:37,389 --> 01:35:32,749
there because it cannot just be in my

1979
01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:37,399
film it cannot be and that's one of the

1980
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:40,209
things we did calling right from day one

1981
01:35:46,589 --> 01:35:43,280
was the description of the creature and

1982
01:35:48,969 --> 01:35:46,599
everything in the film was look for

1983
01:35:50,919 --> 01:35:48,979
supporting testimony elsewhere because

1984
01:35:53,889 --> 01:35:50,929
we weren't getting it from Santilli burn

1985
01:35:55,689 --> 01:35:53,899
in mind at this point calling you know I

1986
01:35:58,659 --> 01:35:55,699
believe there was a strong chance the

1987
01:36:01,869 --> 01:35:58,669
film was authentic so I wasn't trying to

1988
01:36:06,759 --> 01:36:01,879
debunk it I was trying to prove that it

1989
01:36:07,689 --> 01:36:06,769
was at least possible for this film to

1990
01:36:10,059 --> 01:36:07,699
be real

1991
01:36:12,909 --> 01:36:10,069
I'm not saying real aliens I'm just

1992
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:12,919
saying authentic footage of something so

1993
01:36:16,449 --> 01:36:14,209
we tried our down

1994
01:36:20,469 --> 01:36:16,459
is to find supporting testimony because

1995
01:36:23,290 --> 01:36:20,479
we you know the promises made to aspire

1996
01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:23,300
something to it I separately lined up

1997
01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:27,409
Kodak in England to test the film and I

1998
01:36:32,410 --> 01:36:30,289
think where Kodak is located I think the

1999
01:36:36,850 --> 01:36:32,420
British film industry is nearby as well

2000
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:36,860
and and and and they were interested in

2001
01:36:45,790 --> 01:36:39,050
taking an unbiased look at it but we

2002
01:36:47,819 --> 01:36:45,800
never got can I just can I just

2003
01:36:51,009 --> 01:36:47,829
interrupt there please that Philip and

2004
01:36:52,689 --> 01:36:51,019
you actually cut our hair on me there

2005
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:52,699
some presuming us cut out on the

2006
01:36:57,790 --> 01:36:54,320
regarding so could you just make the

2007
01:37:01,120 --> 01:36:57,800
final point I generally believe this

2008
01:37:02,620 --> 01:37:01,130
film could have a strong possibility at

2009
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,630
that point of being authentic and I was

2010
01:37:06,699 --> 01:37:04,880
trying to help prove that and all the

2011
01:37:09,459 --> 01:37:06,709
people that claim to have seen the

2012
01:37:12,810 --> 01:37:09,469
six-fingered preachers all came out

2013
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:12,820
after the film was shown on television

2014
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:15,050
and all of them had gone on the record

2015
01:37:19,810 --> 01:37:17,449
or before and these were people some of

2016
01:37:21,879 --> 01:37:19,820
them whom I interviewed in person as

2017
01:37:24,939 --> 01:37:21,889
well coming so it wasn't just online or

2018
01:37:28,419 --> 01:37:24,949
anything like that and similarly with

2019
01:37:32,739 --> 01:37:28,429
the control panels we can find no no

2020
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:32,749
we're not no other UFO accounts that had

2021
01:37:38,259 --> 01:37:35,570
these control panels we've done similar

2022
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:38,269
things with other cases for example :

2023
01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:40,400
you know the Robert Taylor case in

2024
01:37:46,509 --> 01:37:43,820
Livingston we looked very hard not just

2025
01:37:48,009 --> 01:37:46,519
when I say we I mean UFO researchers in

2026
01:37:50,799 --> 01:37:48,019
general including me I'm Malcolm

2027
01:37:52,660 --> 01:37:50,809
Robinson to find something that looks

2028
01:37:55,779 --> 01:37:52,670
similar to what Robert Taylor said he

2029
01:37:58,359 --> 01:37:55,789
saw we've drawn a blank we did the same

2030
01:38:01,060 --> 01:37:58,369
process with what that was on the alien

2031
01:38:04,899 --> 01:38:01,070
autopsy film Anna and as far as the

2032
01:38:06,939 --> 01:38:04,909
control panels an absolute zero and that

2033
01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:06,949
was a time coming when I was trying to

2034
01:38:11,229 --> 01:38:10,340
prove this film to be authentic no no no

2035
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:11,239
nothing else

2036
01:38:18,250 --> 01:38:16,070
I mean when we do a complete blank sorry

2037
01:38:19,569 --> 01:38:18,260
I'm very conscious that we're running

2038
01:38:22,540 --> 01:38:19,579
out of time I did we just need to get

2039
01:38:25,719 --> 01:38:22,550
some some some solid solid stuff down I

2040
01:38:27,129 --> 01:38:25,729
don't want to be unfair to Colin so I'm

2041
01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:27,139
going to I'm going to leave the alien

2042
01:38:30,220 --> 01:38:28,070
autopsies

2043
01:38:32,379 --> 01:38:30,230
on the back burner for the time being

2044
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:32,389
okay but I'm gonna make a bold statement

2045
01:38:38,050 --> 01:38:35,510
and say it cannot be any question there

2046
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:38,060
cannot be any doubt that the debrief

2047
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:41,030
footage is absolutely fake and I'll

2048
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:43,489
explain why I say that I have produced

2049
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:47,119
an aged footage of the same footage I

2050
01:38:55,209 --> 01:38:49,880
produce footage that wasn't released I

2051
01:38:59,589 --> 01:38:55,219
have produced the big question of course

2052
01:39:03,390 --> 01:38:59,599
is why would centrally release caged

2053
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:03,400
footage when clean footage existed okay

2054
01:39:08,140 --> 01:39:06,110
that doesn't make sense and the last

2055
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:08,150
thing of course is the elements within

2056
01:39:13,209 --> 01:39:11,119
that film I'm Greek right remember that

2057
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:13,219
probability thing I spoke about the

2058
01:39:17,620 --> 01:39:15,530
writing and the only and the i-beams are

2059
01:39:19,780 --> 01:39:17,630
based on Greek okay

2060
01:39:22,180 --> 01:39:19,790
there's a very is a very heavy number

2061
01:39:24,939 --> 01:39:22,190
there a point the Big Finish the other

2062
01:39:28,540 --> 01:39:24,949
thing is you said at one point Colin

2063
01:39:32,169 --> 01:39:28,550
that I got what it said on the i-beams

2064
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:32,179
from the gentleman in my film who

2065
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:34,010
deciphered it from the University of

2066
01:39:37,540 --> 01:39:34,489
London

2067
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:37,550
okay do you realize I was behind the

2068
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:41,690
camera and that film actually contacted

2069
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:43,520
them a few months ago and do you realize

2070
01:39:52,540 --> 01:39:48,650
that I fed him pointers well you claim

2071
01:39:55,660 --> 01:39:52,550
to what okay I was there filming it okay

2072
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,670
I was I'm there I'm telling you I'm the

2073
01:39:59,919 --> 01:39:57,679
only person he couldn't decide for the

2074
01:40:01,629 --> 01:39:59,929
small eye beam and I'm the only person

2075
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:01,639
after issuing the challenge on the

2076
01:40:05,620 --> 01:40:03,710
internet and I said anyone please tell

2077
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:05,630
me what this says nobody temple would

2078
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,210
I've decided for the F my sis because I

2079
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:10,880
wrote it and nobody has now has ever

2080
01:40:14,260 --> 01:40:12,560
come forward and said that's not true

2081
01:40:16,450 --> 01:40:14,270
it's not right it does realize this by

2082
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:16,460
the way okay I'm the only one that knew

2083
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:20,690
that so so does this little uh NATO

2084
01:40:25,930 --> 01:40:23,030
saying this though in the documentary

2085
01:40:27,729 --> 01:40:25,940
was fair so second it wasn't used saying

2086
01:40:29,950 --> 01:40:27,739
that in the documentary oh you do

2087
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:29,960
realize I was making a fake documentary

2088
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:33,770
to back up my fake film wow I couldn't

2089
01:40:37,870 --> 01:40:35,409
be seen in it you understand that made

2090
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:37,880
you think you would put an easter egg

2091
01:40:41,919 --> 01:40:39,650
and there was something where it would

2092
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:41,929
prove it later a bit like

2093
01:40:49,810 --> 01:40:45,290
I did and the the big Easter egg is that

2094
01:40:52,570 --> 01:40:49,820
the writing on that i-beam is Greek it's

2095
01:40:56,590 --> 01:40:52,580
based on Greek right the big the big

2096
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:56,600
thing is that the six-fingered panels

2097
01:41:04,030 --> 01:41:00,560
don't exist anywhere else i have on h

2098
01:41:09,390 --> 01:41:04,040
fatigue i have on ate an edited footage

2099
01:41:11,979 --> 01:41:09,400
okay and money and no one else has

2100
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:11,989
yeah well that just reinforces what i

2101
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:14,570
said in my statement at begin what that

2102
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:17,630
it's real yes it is real and the people

2103
01:41:23,130 --> 01:41:20,690
what you're being fed information and

2104
01:41:28,689 --> 01:41:23,140
materials from the people who you're I

2105
01:41:31,090 --> 01:41:28,699
guess speaking on behalf of okay so Ray

2106
01:41:34,410 --> 01:41:31,100
Santilli was sent footage which was aged

2107
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:34,420
by the cameraman is that the story I

2108
01:41:40,540 --> 01:41:37,010
believe I think that was genuine footage

2109
01:41:42,820 --> 01:41:40,550
that he retrieves and so you believe

2110
01:41:45,459 --> 01:41:42,830
that he got the footage from somebody

2111
01:41:53,260 --> 01:41:45,469
who shot the footage and that footage

2112
01:41:55,570 --> 01:41:53,270
was aged and yes somehow not 47 yeah it

2113
01:41:59,140 --> 01:41:55,580
was aged be identical footage frame by

2114
01:42:01,120 --> 01:41:59,150
frame was aged and it came from the

2115
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:01,130
source and you're saying that somehow

2116
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:06,050
that my handlers given me an aged

2117
01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:09,050
footage that the person that supposedly

2118
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:11,500
shot it and gave it to Ray didn't have

2119
01:42:16,780 --> 01:42:14,480
that's your testing on is it I believe

2120
01:42:18,610 --> 01:42:16,790
that the people that he no longer has

2121
01:42:20,610 --> 01:42:18,620
the footage and they can do they can

2122
01:42:23,410 --> 01:42:20,620
improve the quality of that footage

2123
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:23,420
improve the okay good good assess good

2124
01:42:26,890 --> 01:42:24,170
we're getting somewhere

2125
01:42:29,950 --> 01:42:26,900
so are you saying we can now give the

2126
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:29,960
aged footage to anyone in the world on

2127
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:32,449
this planet including NASA and they can

2128
01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:37,280
clean it up to the image I've got I

2129
01:42:44,110 --> 01:42:41,230
would say the millage military possibly

2130
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:44,120
not good enough for you okay my anyone

2131
01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:46,510
you like anyone you pick anyone you like

2132
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:49,340
thank for it I will pay for it to be

2133
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:52,159
done you find the person and you send

2134
01:42:55,329 --> 01:42:53,840
the footage that I will physically pay

2135
01:42:58,299 --> 01:42:55,339
the bill okay

2136
01:43:02,020 --> 01:42:58,309
if you think that's possible is that's

2137
01:43:04,689 --> 01:43:02,030
their I don't you know I just don't

2138
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:04,699
think that that what that track it

2139
01:43:11,469 --> 01:43:07,129
either can be done or it can't be done

2140
01:43:14,020 --> 01:43:11,479
if it's a can't be done I'm telling you

2141
01:43:16,929 --> 01:43:14,030
unequivocally cannot be done I've been

2142
01:43:19,029 --> 01:43:16,939
in film so for I don't know how old you

2143
01:43:21,579 --> 01:43:19,039
are cut in but I'm probably you know

2144
01:43:24,909 --> 01:43:21,589
I've been in film a long long time over

2145
01:43:28,329 --> 01:43:24,919
42 years right I'm telling you I'm

2146
01:43:29,859 --> 01:43:28,339
telling you it cannot be done and I put

2147
01:43:32,529 --> 01:43:29,869
that out there now anyone is listening

2148
01:43:36,119 --> 01:43:32,539
right Steven Spielberg if you're feeling

2149
01:43:39,009 --> 01:43:36,129
please come and make this happen okay

2150
01:43:41,079 --> 01:43:39,019
but you're not aware you know like the

2151
01:43:43,929 --> 01:43:41,089
claims of military having technologies

2152
01:43:46,839 --> 01:43:43,939
50 30 years in advance do you understand

2153
01:43:49,869 --> 01:43:46,849
it can't be done you cannot bring image

2154
01:43:52,750 --> 01:43:49,879
back that isn't there it's physically

2155
01:43:55,239 --> 01:43:52,760
impossible if if there is a washed-out

2156
01:43:57,069 --> 01:43:55,249
area of film it what there is there's no

2157
01:43:59,500 --> 01:43:57,079
information so you can't bring that

2158
01:44:01,119 --> 01:43:59,510
information back it doesn't exist okay

2159
01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:01,129
so you can you can make it look better

2160
01:44:06,579 --> 01:44:04,369
but the footage that I've got has got

2161
01:44:09,489 --> 01:44:06,589
detail you can see the stitching in the

2162
01:44:13,689 --> 01:44:09,499
suit you can see detail you see the wood

2163
01:44:15,279 --> 01:44:13,699
grain right it's detail so I'm saying to

2164
01:44:16,569 --> 01:44:15,289
you it cannot be done and the challenge

2165
01:44:18,609 --> 01:44:16,579
is there if you want to take the

2166
01:44:21,159 --> 01:44:18,619
challenge I will pay for it you won't be

2167
01:44:23,949 --> 01:44:21,169
out of pocket okay you can choose who's

2168
01:44:28,599 --> 01:44:23,959
gonna read look at it and I will pay for

2169
01:44:31,719 --> 01:44:28,609
it in that right so right gentlemen

2170
01:44:34,179 --> 01:44:31,729
we've got about 15 minutes left what I

2171
01:44:37,149 --> 01:44:34,189
wanted to do is I'm going to offer you

2172
01:44:38,770 --> 01:44:37,159
both and the opportunity just to make a

2173
01:44:41,529 --> 01:44:38,780
closing statement more than anything

2174
01:44:47,079 --> 01:44:41,539
else and I know this wasn't I didn't

2175
01:44:49,139 --> 01:44:47,089
actually pretty hard but I think it's

2176
01:44:53,859 --> 01:44:49,149
been in very interesting discussion

2177
01:44:57,250 --> 01:44:53,869
personally speaking listening to both

2178
01:45:01,869 --> 01:44:57,260
points of view to be quite honest it's

2179
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:01,879
answered one or two things spielberg's

2180
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:10,210
from these two guys because it's been

2181
01:45:15,490 --> 01:45:13,370
fascinating yep

2182
01:45:16,990 --> 01:45:15,500
this is a I've actually really enjoyed

2183
01:45:18,940 --> 01:45:17,000
listening to this he's been absolutely

2184
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:18,950
brilliant a me and mr. Spielberg I have

2185
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:20,270
to call him mr. cassis

2186
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:22,130
his film is Hollywood right yeah you

2187
01:45:26,710 --> 01:45:24,650
know so I have to call him mister but

2188
01:45:29,890 --> 01:45:26,720
I've really he's been on the phone with

2189
01:45:31,780 --> 01:45:29,900
me yes and he does well but you know in

2190
01:45:34,450 --> 01:45:31,790
all honesty I've actually really enjoyed

2191
01:45:36,970 --> 01:45:34,460
listening to this and it's I found the

2192
01:45:39,490 --> 01:45:36,980
old conversation whole conversation very

2193
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:39,500
fascinating and you know but I want to

2194
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:42,320
offer you now gentlemen and just you

2195
01:45:47,500 --> 01:45:45,410
know five minutes just to put a last

2196
01:45:50,290 --> 01:45:47,510
perspective across to us and what I'm

2197
01:45:51,850 --> 01:45:50,300
gonna do this time I'm going to reverse

2198
01:45:54,490 --> 01:45:51,860
the original order I'm gonna let

2199
01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:54,500
experience feel fair okay and then of

2200
01:45:56,650 --> 01:45:54,860
course

2201
01:45:58,600 --> 01:45:56,660
Colleen I'll give you a few minutes to

2202
01:46:00,450 --> 01:45:58,610
think about what you want to say is well

2203
01:46:05,230 --> 01:46:00,460
[Music]

2204
01:46:08,650 --> 01:46:05,240
I would like to state here and now that

2205
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:08,660
Ray Santilli this entity did register a

2206
01:46:14,050 --> 01:46:10,970
copyright off of a film called the alien

2207
01:46:18,430 --> 01:46:14,060
autopsy in ninety and the registration

2208
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:18,440
was in 1995 the date of the film that he

2209
01:46:27,820 --> 01:46:22,970
registered is supposedly 1947 the

2210
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:27,830
cameraman is listed as unknown and it

2211
01:46:35,230 --> 01:46:30,110
said that the film was made in Italy

2212
01:46:38,740 --> 01:46:35,240
okay not in America I contacted the

2213
01:46:40,900 --> 01:46:38,750
Copyright Office and I said this is my

2214
01:46:43,780 --> 01:46:40,910
film can you please show me the film

2215
01:46:48,130 --> 01:46:43,790
that you have look with within your

2216
01:46:49,780 --> 01:46:48,140
archive as per the 1947 film they sent

2217
01:46:53,170 --> 01:46:49,790
me a copy which was identical to the

2218
01:46:54,490 --> 01:46:53,180
film I made I then had to prove to them

2219
01:46:57,220 --> 01:46:54,500
that the film was mine

2220
01:47:01,450 --> 01:46:57,230
I took me 18 months it cost me a lot of

2221
01:47:04,150 --> 01:47:01,460
money with lawyers and I have now got

2222
01:47:07,450 --> 01:47:04,160
the registration of my copyright which

2223
01:47:09,310 --> 01:47:07,460
is it lists the alien autopsy is for my

2224
01:47:11,950 --> 01:47:09,320
name spirits Belarus the entire motion

2225
01:47:17,950 --> 01:47:11,960
picture and it says made in United

2226
01:47:22,660 --> 01:47:17,960
Kingdom the registration number is pa2 -

2227
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:22,670
107 - 8 8 1 anyone wants to check

2228
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,250
that's lodged with the US Library of

2229
01:47:30,670 --> 01:47:27,920
Congress in the Copyright Office they

2230
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:30,680
also hold a copy of the film that I hold

2231
01:47:39,130 --> 01:47:36,170
the copyright to mr. Santilli didn't

2232
01:47:41,230 --> 01:47:39,140
didn't register any other films and the

2233
01:47:44,860 --> 01:47:41,240
one that I made okay

2234
01:47:46,930 --> 01:47:44,870
now I would like to close by saying with

2235
01:47:49,540 --> 01:47:46,940
established today that Miss Benton is

2236
01:47:51,310 --> 01:47:49,550
capable of creating the faith and he did

2237
01:47:53,890 --> 01:47:51,320
that with the Tim footage and he's

2238
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:53,900
capable of selling such a photo we've

2239
01:47:59,820 --> 01:47:56,810
also established that the autopsy table

2240
01:48:06,550 --> 01:47:59,830
in the film is nowhere else in the world

2241
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:06,560
anyway we've established the suits are

2242
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:08,890
also nowhere else to be seen about

2243
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:11,780
everyone I've said who was involved John

2244
01:48:18,940 --> 01:48:15,650
Humphries and recently officially have

2245
01:48:21,370 --> 01:48:18,950
both accepted and put on record that I

2246
01:48:24,220 --> 01:48:21,380
was the man who led the team that made

2247
01:48:28,420 --> 01:48:24,230
the alien autopsy if you were to go to

2248
01:48:31,900 --> 01:48:28,430
IMDB you will find that I have a wealth

2249
01:48:36,430 --> 01:48:31,910
of credits and a lot of them are on the

2250
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:36,440
alien autopsy Fox alien autopsy fact or

2251
01:48:42,010 --> 01:48:39,230
fiction credits me with the creation of

2252
01:48:44,740 --> 01:48:42,020
the black and white footage the Aemon

2253
01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:44,750
investigates film that Colleen mentioned

2254
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:48,110
was produced executive produced by Ray

2255
01:48:55,210 --> 01:48:51,770
Santilli he made that program as a as a

2256
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:55,220
film to promote himself in that film if

2257
01:49:01,720 --> 01:48:58,960
if you check IMDB I am credited with

2258
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:01,730
making of the black on my footage

2259
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:04,400
if you look on IMDB you'll find that I

2260
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:08,000
have several credit including costume

2261
01:49:13,260 --> 01:49:10,970
design cinematographer camera electrical

2262
01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:13,270
costume and wardrobe visual effects

2263
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,450
special effects writer and producer all

2264
01:49:22,570 --> 01:49:20,480
on the alien autopsy they don't just put

2265
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:22,580
this stuff up because the person that

2266
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:26,210
makes the film can contest it okay so

2267
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:29,530
you can be removed if you put it in my

2268
01:49:35,950 --> 01:49:32,690
declaration with the Copyright Office of

2269
01:49:39,370 --> 01:49:35,960
in America is a legally binding

2270
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:39,380
contract ye I can be done for fraud if

2271
01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:42,880
this is not true I think you will find

2272
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:46,340
that with the help of Fox TV that

2273
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:49,520
mesentery is in hot water and he's gonna

2274
01:49:57,190 --> 01:49:54,400
have to show how this film is done

2275
01:49:59,740 --> 01:49:57,200
lastly to close I would just like to say

2276
01:50:03,150 --> 01:49:59,750
I was on the One Show last week couple

2277
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:03,160
weeks ago and this essentially issued a

2278
01:50:10,300 --> 01:50:06,530
cease and desist letter to the BBC but

2279
01:50:13,900 --> 01:50:10,310
they are not to show the 1947 or alien

2280
01:50:15,459 --> 01:50:13,910
water and the BBC's lawyers wrote back

2281
01:50:18,220 --> 01:50:15,469
to the century and said please rest

2282
01:50:21,850 --> 01:50:18,230
assured we do not intend to show any of

2283
01:50:24,580 --> 01:50:21,860
your 1947 film we went ahead and showed

2284
01:50:26,500 --> 01:50:24,590
my film and miss entity has done nothing

2285
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:26,510
about it okay

2286
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:28,730
nothing you would have thought able to

2287
01:50:34,930 --> 01:50:31,030
be suing the BBC by now

2288
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:34,940
I'm telling you unequivocally the alien

2289
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:40,130
autopsies faked 100% and and so far

2290
01:50:44,530 --> 01:50:41,930
nothing that Cullen has said has shown

2291
01:50:46,660 --> 01:50:44,540
any evidence at all the men in black and

2292
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:46,670
my handlers and all that is just his

2293
01:50:54,580 --> 01:50:52,610
idea of a good time absolutely okay

2294
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:54,590
Spiros thank you very much for that very

2295
01:51:02,890 --> 01:50:59,840
much appreciated for you Tom calling up

2296
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:02,900
to now Colleen would make a fine well

2297
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:06,670
they haven't changed my mind I'm afraid

2298
01:51:15,700 --> 01:51:13,040
she's genuine looking at IMDb myself

2299
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:15,710
just now at the mountain deck film I see

2300
01:51:19,810 --> 01:51:17,810
it costs five million pounds to produce

2301
01:51:21,970 --> 01:51:19,820
there and I just think well that's

2302
01:51:30,490 --> 01:51:21,980
that's and I think he got pretty slim

2303
01:51:32,170 --> 01:51:30,500
return for that money money I'm just

2304
01:51:34,510 --> 01:51:32,180
saying that you know when they go to

2305
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:34,520
such efforts when combined that with the

2306
01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:37,090
documentary about rice saying it was a

2307
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:41,000
recreation wherever it just stinks of a

2308
01:51:47,590 --> 01:51:44,560
cover-up conspiracy

2309
01:51:50,549 --> 01:51:47,600
there's nothing but really that's buros

2310
01:51:53,649 --> 01:51:50,559
as I said I mean I think the trouble

2311
01:51:56,770 --> 01:51:53,659
Spira says he needs these other people

2312
01:51:59,200 --> 01:51:56,780
to come forward he needs this woman who

2313
01:52:01,719 --> 01:51:59,210
was dying that this place in what

2314
01:52:04,029 --> 01:52:01,729
Chester Square encounter and you know he

2315
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:04,039
needs her to come forward this genius

2316
01:52:09,310 --> 01:52:06,530
who has ties to the government he needs

2317
01:52:11,399 --> 01:52:09,320
Gregg to come forward he needs girls to

2318
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:11,409
back him up because while it's just him

2319
01:52:16,989 --> 01:52:15,110
singing his version of the story then

2320
01:52:19,330 --> 01:52:16,999
it's not going to have that credibility

2321
01:52:21,459 --> 01:52:19,340
with these other people backing him up

2322
01:52:23,950 --> 01:52:21,469
so that's one of the things I've always

2323
01:52:25,660 --> 01:52:23,960
been mean I'm very suspicious of and I

2324
01:52:26,799 --> 01:52:25,670
don't think my page would still be

2325
01:52:30,700 --> 01:52:26,809
running and people would have an

2326
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:30,710
interest on YouTube of the alien autopsy

2327
01:52:36,370 --> 01:52:33,920
footage even now and I'm able to get

2328
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:36,380
down to the first autopsy and I'm mrs. V

2329
01:52:41,319 --> 01:52:38,510
room here for maybe another chat in the

2330
01:52:44,109 --> 01:52:41,329
future but I think it's been

2331
01:52:46,450 --> 01:52:44,119
entertaining this conversation now you

2332
01:52:49,299 --> 01:52:46,460
know I do believe that spirits is lying

2333
01:52:51,489 --> 01:52:49,309
and I wish them well I don't wish you

2334
01:52:53,649 --> 01:52:51,499
many nice or anything but there's a

2335
01:52:55,779 --> 01:52:53,659
mystery here and the whales are changing

2336
01:52:57,879 --> 01:52:55,789
place I think there is greater troops

2337
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,889
coming to light now and there's a lot of

2338
01:53:02,830 --> 01:52:59,360
desperate people out there I said this

2339
01:53:05,049 --> 01:53:02,840
before but people could hide these

2340
01:53:07,569 --> 01:53:05,059
secrets from the past now things are

2341
01:53:09,790 --> 01:53:07,579
changing and let's just see what happens

2342
01:53:12,100 --> 01:53:09,800
next year we're in with regards to maybe

2343
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:12,110
what's pure us in his book if that ever

2344
01:53:16,569 --> 01:53:14,510
sees the light of day and maybe more

2345
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:16,579
like being shown on not just the alien

2346
01:53:21,969 --> 01:53:19,280
autopsy because I think it's covers a

2347
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:21,979
whole you know subject of ufology that

2348
01:53:26,799 --> 01:53:24,050
we do seem to be getting the clearer

2349
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,809
understanding and that of how things are

2350
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:28,639
being manipulated and covered up and

2351
01:53:34,419 --> 01:53:31,550
I'll carry on in my little Facebook

2352
01:53:37,299 --> 01:53:34,429
group there and I'll wish everyone a

2353
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:37,309
good night yeah Thank You Pauling Thank

2354
01:53:42,839 --> 01:53:39,050
You Spiros I mean we've managed to keep

2355
01:53:45,790 --> 01:53:42,849
it civil I hope I didn't walk in between

2356
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:45,800
underneath there is no reason why we

2357
01:53:51,580 --> 01:53:48,050
can't keep it civil you know even though

2358
01:53:54,689 --> 01:53:51,590
I could involved in this damn film from

2359
01:53:57,459 --> 01:53:54,699
day one I still find it fascinating I

2360
01:54:00,399 --> 01:53:57,469
still think that's the end of it it's

2361
01:54:02,109 --> 01:54:00,409
gone away and something else reads its

2362
01:54:03,790 --> 01:54:02,119
head I don't think it will ever go away

2363
01:54:06,940 --> 01:54:03,800
it's firmly ingrained

2364
01:54:11,610 --> 01:54:06,950
the culture if nothing else but I think

2365
01:54:14,440 --> 01:54:11,620
it's been a fascinating couple of hours

2366
01:54:17,530 --> 01:54:14,450
yeah I completely agree with that and

2367
01:54:20,590 --> 01:54:17,540
it's for me personally it's interesting

2368
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,600
too to where you know both points of

2369
01:54:24,700 --> 01:54:22,400
view from people such as yourself

2370
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:24,710
Colleen and from spirits as well and now

2371
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:26,570
I I agree perhaps we can organize

2372
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:28,850
something once again in the future and

2373
01:54:33,670 --> 01:54:31,250
discuss this a little bit more well you

2374
01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:33,680
know at the end of the day it's what

2375
01:54:40,690 --> 01:54:37,310
we're discussing and to me her opinion

2376
01:54:43,780 --> 01:54:40,700
is in the actually with some evidence

2377
01:54:47,050 --> 01:54:43,790
and to prove one thing or the other

2378
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,060
now what I've actually really enjoyed

2379
01:54:51,670 --> 01:54:49,520
was getting to its porosity side of

2380
01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:51,680
things and Colleen's side of things and

2381
01:54:56,830 --> 01:54:54,140
once again Jen I just want to thank both

2382
01:54:58,540 --> 01:54:56,840
of you and yourself Phil for a you know

2383
01:55:01,180 --> 01:54:58,550
ticking time I obviously even in just

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suit you're interested in my side of

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things

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well yo keep forgetting here you you

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were for royalty so we hadn't sent you

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so Colleen thank you very much

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absolute pleasure and yourself as well

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straight to yes that's brilliant

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I just like to thank you all and what

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you up to now then Phil what you that

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what you're going to be doing tonight or

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a certain combination next at that point

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we'll close thank you everybody good

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night the date Saturday the 17th of

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August 2019 and the venue will be the

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Pontefract town Noel's Assembly Rooms we

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have seating for 250 at ground level

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this is a strictly limited number so

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access is on a first-come first-served

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basis this fantastic venue is situated

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close to all three of Pontefract railway

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stations with monk Hill being the

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closest literally a 10 minute walk away

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01:56:11,950 --> 01:56:09,620
from the venue Bill's traveling by car

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car parking is less than a five-minute

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walk from the venue and it's currently

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charged at four pound 50 all day

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Pontefract bus station is less than two

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minutes away from the venue and Saturday

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01:56:26,339 --> 01:56:23,949
is also upon two forex market day with

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01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,349
many facilities available there is also

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a many sandwich shops fish and chip

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01:56:34,439 --> 01:56:31,839
shops and other types of food available

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01:56:37,079 --> 01:56:34,449
all within a five-minute walk of the

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venue and Pontefract as good access to

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01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:39,249
both the m1 and the m62

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01:56:43,829 --> 01:56:42,010
it is with honor and a little bit of

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01:56:45,929 --> 01:56:43,839
excitement that Outer Limits magazine

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01:56:49,799 --> 01:56:45,939
can now announce the speakers for its

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01:56:52,319 --> 01:56:49,809
2019 event towards the events working

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under the banner title of the closest of

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encounters as always shall be Outer

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01:56:59,939 --> 01:56:58,119
Limits magazine editor Chris Evers it

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01:57:01,679 --> 01:56:59,949
will present a talk on a subject

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01:57:03,540 --> 01:57:01,689
irrelevant to the theme of the

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01:57:05,849 --> 01:57:03,550
conference making his Outer Limits

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01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:05,859
magazine conference debut shall be

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01:57:11,489 --> 01:57:09,010
author and experiencer Philip Kinsella

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01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:11,499
who shall discuss is though an extremely

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01:57:16,169 --> 01:57:13,689
close encounter event and personal

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01:57:18,989 --> 01:57:16,179
experiences making his third appearance

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01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:18,999
and out limits magazine event will be

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01:57:24,569 --> 01:57:22,239
Paul Sinclair to discuss more details of

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01:57:27,179 --> 01:57:24,579
his investigation and findings Outer

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01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:27,189
Limits magazine associate editor Malcolm

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01:57:31,799 --> 01:57:29,530
Robinson will be returning to discuss

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01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:31,809
his new publication all about the

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01:57:36,659 --> 01:57:34,329
bobtail a close encounter or as it's

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01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:36,669
also known the deck mont woods incident

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01:57:41,399 --> 01:57:38,530
and is with great honor that we announce

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01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:41,409
our very special speaker making a trip

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01:57:46,409 --> 01:57:44,530
to the United Kingdom from America with

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01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:46,419
what shall be his first a visit to the

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01:57:52,109 --> 01:57:49,570
UK to present his own story in a public

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01:57:53,939 --> 01:57:52,119
forum that shall be the only remaining

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01:57:57,239 --> 01:57:53,949
witness to this famous pascagoula

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01:57:59,099 --> 01:57:57,249
abduction Calvin Parker without a doubt

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01:58:01,379 --> 01:57:59,109
this will be a once-in-a-lifetime chance

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01:58:04,049 --> 01:58:01,389
to meet and hear Calvin's most

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01:58:06,569 --> 01:58:04,059
intriguing case straight from the only

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01:58:09,540 --> 01:58:06,579
surviving witness working alongside our

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01:58:12,029 --> 01:58:09,550
limits magazine is Michael worst of the

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01:58:14,429 --> 01:58:12,039
new insider or Limits radio show that's

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01:58:16,969 --> 01:58:14,439
Phillip mantle the publisher at flying

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01:58:19,409 --> 01:58:16,979
disc press and Phillip is no stranger to

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01:58:21,389 --> 01:58:19,419
investigations himself we are extremely

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01:58:24,109 --> 01:58:21,399
grateful for Philips continued support

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01:58:26,699 --> 01:58:24,119
of our limits magazine and our endeavors

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01:58:29,129 --> 01:58:26,709
tickets for the day are priced at twenty

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01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:29,139
pound each plus a 1 pound date to paypal

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01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:30,000
fee

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01:58:37,540 --> 01:58:33,840
now available to order at Chris zero

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five nine seven dots wick site.com

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forward slash outer - limits

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01:58:48,110 --> 01:58:45,360
- mag and remember we have strictly a

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01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:48,120
limited seating available to a maximum

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01:58:52,340 --> 01:58:50,610
250 since the announcement the tickets

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01:58:55,670 --> 01:58:52,350
were available they have already started

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selling and very quickly so don't miss